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well greetings and salutations friends

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and welcome back to truth seekers

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tonight

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is another of our special events

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in our new series revisiting roswell

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i uh selfishly thought that i could use

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the show here as a passport to talk to

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some of the world's greatest experts on

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the roswell event

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so far we've heard from kalkor uh we've

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heard from dr

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kevin randle and walter bosley

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each with their own perspective and

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beliefs

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and research about just what might have

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crashed

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the two other people that i really

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wanted to talk to i'm happy to say that

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tonight we have uh mr tom carey

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and uh coming up we'll have also uh his

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writing partner mr don schmidt on a

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future event here

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uh without further ado i want to bring

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in tonight's very special guest

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he's one of my favorite authors you guys

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have heard me mention

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these two books uh that he was a wrote

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with mr schmidt

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called witness to roswell and children

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of roswell among others but those are

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two of my favorite books on the event uh

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so let's welcome him in here

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there you go mr tom carey good to see

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you

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good evening steven it's nice to be with

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you this evening

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i can't tell you how happy i am having

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read a bunch of your books

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and listen to uh so many of your

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interviews that i get

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to to have you on my show it's a dream

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come true for me thank you so much for

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agreeing to do this first of all

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well i hope i don't uh disappoint

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i was always happy to talk about roswell

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i don't think that's that that's

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possible so listen

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we we there that people are hotly

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debating everything in the live chat

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one of the one of the things in our

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series here that a lot of people

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had a problem with including me uh was

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mr kalkorf

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uh you know he wrote the book the truth

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about roswell and he claims it was just

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a mogul balloon

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and all these stories were embellished

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i have a real problem with his assertion

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of that mostly because i read

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your two books especially witness to

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roswell and children of roswell

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i want you to talk about some of the

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first-hand witnesses that you

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spoke with and whether or not they were

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that you believed that they were telling

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you the truth

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or making up stories as some people

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well well stephen we uh don schmidt and

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most or all of the first hand witnesses

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incontrovertible piece of

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physical evidence and that's the only

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thing that's missing otherwise we do

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some of the most notable witnesses that

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uh certainly certainly mac brazil's son

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the rancher's son bill brazel

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had a lot to tell us so edwin easley

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was a key witness and that was

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still wondering if they were really on

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of investigating roswell

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as a ufo event and not not something

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answers like i can't answer that i'm

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i'm sworn to secretly so every question

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yeah but uh kevin to his credit

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everlasting credit he says

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he asks easily he says well major easley

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he says well can you tell us if we're on

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the right track or not and beasley

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what do you mean by that and kevin says

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that it was a that we're investigating a

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crash from 1947 so there's a long pause

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track exactly yeah so that

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investigation that was absolutely

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critical

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head of the mp unit there and uh yeah he

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uh there were three of them involved and

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by uh i guess kevin randle and don

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after he was assassinated

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when you know when he was shot they

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parkland hospital so uh

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i'm sorry no it's okay you're back now

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uh so let me try

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let me try easley's on his deathbed

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published a book called the truth about

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the ufo crash at roswell

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had written together called

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ufo crash at roswell a huge best seller

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easley's granddaughter comes in with the

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copy of ufo crash at roswell

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she holds it up to the major

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hospital bed

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and he holds it up the cover of the book

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and he goes oh the creatures

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the creatures so he's talking about the

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bodies

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uh public information officer finally

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statement after he passed away in 2005.

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all these people wanted to tackle to the

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living room in an easy chair and uh

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embellishing or making up stories

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fantastical stories right we we do we do

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mention a few um

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disinformation

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people or uh we we do mention a few of

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who really who really spun us some

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stories

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about being right in the eye of the

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hurricane he was

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he and it was all

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and tell and determine that they're

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not telling the truth are those who were

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on the scene

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pretty near the time so they they know

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the lay of the land that they just plug

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themselves into the story

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and the two come to mind right away

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who was a personnel clerk

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clerk on the base

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at the time and he knew pretty much

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everybody on the base so he could

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speak with a offhand experience

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oh yeah i i knew marcel i knew this guy

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i knew that guy

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i know where that's at and you say oh my

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god hit this guy

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he knows everything well

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uh it took us a while but we

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finally came to the conclusion he was

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full of it that he was spinning a tail

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he put himself into it uh

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he he never came across to me as an

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officer but he said he was like a high

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officer and i i was in the air force and

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you know i i know a enlisted person from

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sometimes you can definitely tell the

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difference between it was a grunt

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and a guy who was an officer just by

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their mannerisms and things like that i

289
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remember

290
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my father was in the navy and uh one

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time we're at some barbecue or something

292
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and some guy was telling

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stories about being like a captain of a

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ship and my dad was like there's no way

295
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on god's screen or if that guy was a

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captain

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he was yeah he was you know enlisted you

298
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can tell

299
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the ones crash site that

300
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even the air force agreed that was a

301
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that was the crash site

302
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the so-called the so-called debris field

303
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site on the foster ranch even the air

304
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force agreed that was the site

305
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or the main site well kaufman said well

306
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that was a salted site

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meaning one that was uh artificial

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people went there and they threw things

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on the ground

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metal pieces to make it appear that that

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was a crash site and we're thinking

312
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what is this guy talking about

313
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we've got witnesses that tell us that

314
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that this is the site and even the air

315
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force agrees that it was and he's trying

316
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so uh it just from that point on we we

317
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finally said what is what was he talking

318
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about and

319
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on his deathbed he died of bone cancer

320
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don schmidt and i went to and said frank

321
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why did you do it why did you do it tell

322
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all of these tales

323
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he said well i didn't mean to

324
00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:06,480
it i didn't mean for it to go this far

325
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but it got out of

326
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out of control so i guess he meant that

327
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he was going to tell a little fib and

328
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then it just got it mushroomed

329
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and got bigger and bigger and bigger and

330
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he had tv cameras knocking on his door

331
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his name was known all over the place

332
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they were offering him

333
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many dollars to be interviewed and it

334
00:16:31,829 --> 00:16:28,480
just just got out of control

335
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and he also the third thing was he

336
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pointed

337
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he took us to what he said was the

338
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so-called impact site where the

339
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final part of the ship came to rest

340
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and he said this is the it was on the

341
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core hubcorn ranch

342
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and uh we had the tv cameras there and

343
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everything

344
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and uh even phil class the great

345
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uh uh yeah yeah even he went there with

346
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us

347
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and uh uh we're saying

348
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wait a minute there's no way you can get

349
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a fire truck in here because it was

350
00:17:06,309 --> 00:17:05,760
supposedly all these fire trucks came

351
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and

352
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this thing was so in the rugged terrain

353
00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:12,480
uh that there's no way you could get

354
00:17:16,870 --> 00:17:13,839
fire trucks in there

355
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,880
this was a load so uh

356
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plus we might have been it must have

357
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:20,240
been really disappointing for you to

358
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first

359
00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:22,720
think you had this expert witness that

360
00:17:26,870 --> 00:17:24,240
was you know plugged in

361
00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:26,880
and and knew everything about the event

362
00:17:30,070 --> 00:17:28,000
because

363
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:30,080
he was there at the time and you checked

364
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:31,760
his background and went well this seems

365
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:33,679
like a good witness right but

366
00:17:38,230 --> 00:17:35,440
it must have been disappointing for you

367
00:17:41,669 --> 00:17:38,240
well it was disappointing

368
00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:41,679
uh to the case because

369
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oh we got a ball look at this car this

370
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:45,520
game look we got a big

371
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:48,320
we got a a hoaxer here they're all

372
00:17:52,630 --> 00:17:49,600
hoaxers you know that's the

373
00:17:56,070 --> 00:17:52,640
that's what happens uh it wasn't it was

374
00:17:57,669 --> 00:17:56,080
disappointing uh that when we realized

375
00:18:00,870 --> 00:17:57,679
that he was lying you know why

376
00:18:03,510 --> 00:18:00,880
why are you feel that you have to lie

377
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:03,520
but if he doesn't change the case any it

378
00:18:06,310 --> 00:18:04,320
i mean

379
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:06,320
take him out of the case it's we still

380
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:07,520
have the case

381
00:18:11,029 --> 00:18:09,679
yeah it's not 600 other witnesses right

382
00:18:12,710 --> 00:18:11,039
so one's bad

383
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,720
that's sort of like i've heard a lot of

384
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,960
debunkers and negative people saying

385
00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:17,039
mention him and say like see that guy

386
00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:18,240
lied they all lied

387
00:18:22,630 --> 00:18:21,280
well that one out of 600 and you know

388
00:18:24,470 --> 00:18:22,640
it's like that old saying one

389
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,480
one rotten apple doesn't spoil the

390
00:18:29,110 --> 00:18:26,559
basket you know that's right they

391
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:29,120
they uh the naysayers like to say oh my

392
00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:30,960
goodness look at this guy

393
00:18:35,110 --> 00:18:32,720
they gay there's a hoaxer they're all

394
00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:35,120
hoaxers and i've heard that so many

395
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:36,240
times you know what

396
00:18:41,270 --> 00:18:38,640
what can you say so instead of 600

397
00:18:44,630 --> 00:18:41,280
witnesses we have 599

398
00:18:46,150 --> 00:18:44,640
okay so yeah yeah it doesn't really

399
00:18:49,190 --> 00:18:46,160
discount the rest of it

400
00:18:51,990 --> 00:18:49,200
right and then i wanted to also talk

401
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:52,000
just dive into this children of roswell

402
00:18:54,310 --> 00:18:52,960
book because again

403
00:18:55,830 --> 00:18:54,320
back to this point that i'm trying to

404
00:18:56,630 --> 00:18:55,840
make when people say that people just

405
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:56,640
made this stuff

406
00:19:00,150 --> 00:18:58,320
up i have a real problem with that

407
00:19:02,150 --> 00:19:00,160
because you know like i don't know about

408
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:02,160
other people's parents but my parents

409
00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:03,760
especially when they were near death

410
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:05,520
wouldn't just start making up stories

411
00:19:08,789 --> 00:19:07,760
about alien bodies and stuff you know

412
00:19:10,870 --> 00:19:08,799
what i mean they

413
00:19:12,390 --> 00:19:10,880
it just seems it seems just so

414
00:19:14,390 --> 00:19:12,400
ridiculous that somebody

415
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,400
walk near death would start telling

416
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:16,320
their children these stories

417
00:19:19,909 --> 00:19:18,799
about alien bodies and things like that

418
00:19:22,150 --> 00:19:19,919
so i found that

419
00:19:23,990 --> 00:19:22,160
a lot of the testimony in that book to

420
00:19:26,070 --> 00:19:24,000
be very compelling

421
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:26,080
because whose parents would just start

422
00:19:30,390 --> 00:19:28,160
talking about alien bodies

423
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:30,400
right before they died or or even the

424
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:31,679
ones that weren't that told their

425
00:19:35,430 --> 00:19:32,880
children earlier

426
00:19:37,350 --> 00:19:35,440
in life you know like you don't tell

427
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:37,360
your children these fake stories it just

428
00:19:41,270 --> 00:19:38,080
doesn't make sense

429
00:19:43,350 --> 00:19:41,280
to me i'll tell you something stephen

430
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:43,360
this doesn't have to do with ufos

431
00:19:48,950 --> 00:19:46,880
but when i was a little kid my father

432
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:48,960
told me these two stories

433
00:19:54,789 --> 00:19:52,559
he was from boston and he was born in

434
00:19:57,510 --> 00:19:54,799
1901

435
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,520
so uh back in those days that not

436
00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:59,840
everybody had an automobile they

437
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:02,559
people were still using a horse-drawn

438
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,960
cat

439
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:05,360
carts and cabbages they were still using

440
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,240
them

441
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,600
and he told me a story of being out in

442
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:11,120
uh i guess you would call it a buck

443
00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:11,600
board

444
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,960
a horse-drawn flatbed you know something

445
00:20:18,470 --> 00:20:16,320
like that

446
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:18,480
and he said it started it started

447
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:20,000
raining frogs little

448
00:20:27,110 --> 00:20:23,840
frogs and i'm thinking what

449
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:27,120
it's raining frogs he says yes and the

450
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:27,760
thing that i

451
00:20:34,310 --> 00:20:31,440
it were the

452
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:34,320
wagon wheels running over their little

453
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:37,039
crushing their little bodies

454
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,640
in this storm crushing these little uh

455
00:20:43,990 --> 00:20:43,600
little bagus baby frogs or whatever they

456
00:20:46,230 --> 00:20:44,000
were

457
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,240
the wagon wheels running over and

458
00:20:49,669 --> 00:20:48,000
crushing their little bones

459
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,679
he said that's the thing he remembered

460
00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:51,520
about it and i'm thinking wow

461
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,919
what did i've never heard of that and he

462
00:21:03,270 --> 00:20:55,200
said

463
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:03,280
when he was a teenager he was out in a

464
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,320
row boat

465
00:21:07,590 --> 00:21:06,240
with i guess his parents or something

466
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:07,600
out in the

467
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:10,159
one of the you know boston is near the

468
00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:10,640
ocean

469
00:21:16,470 --> 00:21:12,159
and then they were out in the bay i

470
00:21:18,630 --> 00:21:16,480
guess and he said this huge

471
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:18,640
he called it a sea serpent but he said

472
00:21:22,789 --> 00:21:19,600
it was like a

473
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:22,799
a large snake with a

474
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:25,039
horse with a horse a head that looked

475
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:26,240
like a horse

476
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:29,679
just slithered by the boats i said

477
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:32,400
i said how big was he was it he said oh

478
00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:32,799
it was

479
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:36,559
body

480
00:21:41,110 --> 00:21:39,440
but it just it just went like right by

481
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,120
the boat

482
00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:44,720
and it was like a snake but it would had

483
00:21:48,950 --> 00:21:45,120
a

484
00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:48,960
wow

485
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,880
i i don't know i don't know what he's

486
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,280
telling me here but this doesn't

487
00:21:56,310 --> 00:21:54,960
i ca i can't you know i'm only like

488
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:56,320
eight nine years old

489
00:21:59,590 --> 00:21:58,240
and hearing this and i think i've never

490
00:22:02,710 --> 00:21:59,600
heard of this

491
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,720
well guess what on

492
00:22:06,870 --> 00:22:05,120
some of the uh i don't know the science

493
00:22:09,750 --> 00:22:06,880
channel history channel one of the you

494
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:09,760
know one of the cable channels

495
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,520
they redo report that there are

496
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:16,400
rainstorms or such squalls where little

497
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,720
little animals come down and one of the

498
00:22:23,190 --> 00:22:20,640
one of the types of animals that they

499
00:22:25,990 --> 00:22:23,200
cited was the little frogs

500
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:26,000
and this was on the one of the cable

501
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,720
channels

502
00:22:29,990 --> 00:22:27,919
yeah i know that can happen during

503
00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:30,000
hurricanes or something like that yeah

504
00:22:34,470 --> 00:22:32,400
we're like yeah it's like normal events

505
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,480
yeah it's like some sort of squall

506
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:36,480
and i don't understand the mechanics of

507
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,600
it

508
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:39,840
yeah that's an odd occurrence for sure

509
00:22:45,669 --> 00:22:42,720
it's been reported and also

510
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,679
they uh on one of the shows they talked

511
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:46,799
about a

512
00:22:51,909 --> 00:22:50,000
sea monster in the in

513
00:22:53,669 --> 00:22:51,919
i don't know narragansett bay or

514
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:53,679
something like that up there in the

515
00:22:56,789 --> 00:22:54,880
boston area

516
00:22:59,110 --> 00:22:56,799
and they drew a picture of it and it was

517
00:23:00,310 --> 00:22:59,120
just exactly what my father was telling

518
00:23:02,710 --> 00:23:00,320
me

519
00:23:03,430 --> 00:23:02,720
so i'm thinking oh my goodness and i

520
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:03,440
said

521
00:23:06,549 --> 00:23:04,880
then i thought to myself my father

522
00:23:09,430 --> 00:23:06,559
wouldn't lie to me

523
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:09,440
he would he wouldn't he never lied to me

524
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:10,320
so

525
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,000
i just passed that on as far as parents

526
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:17,039
telling their children things like that

527
00:23:22,870 --> 00:23:20,400
uh especially when they're small they

528
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,880
wouldn't lie to them like that because

529
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:25,120
when you're older you can tell oh

530
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:27,280
dad's spinning another one here but you

531
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,559
know yeah

532
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,880
yeah when you're a little kid you you

533
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:32,159
you don't lie to your

534
00:23:36,630 --> 00:23:35,200
and

535
00:23:38,630 --> 00:23:36,640
one of the other things that i wanted to

536
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,640
get into uh because you took it all out

537
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,080
of flack for it is that

538
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:42,320
you know you're well aware that so many

539
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,400
people have tacked on hoaxes onto the

540
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,120
roswell event we've had a alien autopsy

541
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,679
the roswell rock and of course the

542
00:23:52,870 --> 00:23:51,279
roswell slides

543
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,880
and i wouldn't be doing my job if i

544
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:54,480
didn't now you're straight you're

545
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,000
striking home

546
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:57,919
yeah but you know listen i have

547
00:24:01,510 --> 00:23:59,600
tremendous respect for you and the way

548
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:01,520
that both you and mr schmidt handled it

549
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:04,240
i talked to him about this previously

550
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:05,919
but i wouldn't be doing my job if i

551
00:24:10,310 --> 00:24:08,400
didn't ask you some questions about that

552
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,320
yeah and one of the things i wanted to

553
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,080
ask is when you

554
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:13,919
when you first heard about these roswell

555
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:15,200
slides and for those that don't know

556
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,720
they reported to be

557
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:19,279
slides of an alien from the roswell

558
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:20,240
event

559
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,200
or that's what they were hyped as did

560
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:25,279
you think that you had the smoking gun

561
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:26,720
that you were finally gonna get that

562
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,679
smoking gun yes

563
00:24:32,070 --> 00:24:30,000
right yes so this must have been even

564
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:32,080
more disappointing than frank kaufman

565
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:35,840
right i was i was i was in disbelief

566
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,120
uh stephen the uh we

567
00:24:43,669 --> 00:24:41,600
analyzed them as best we could for three

568
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:43,679
years

569
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:46,960
and doing due diligence on them and

570
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:50,320
uh we went as far as we could with them

571
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:53,679
and everything pointed to that they were

572
00:25:16,470 --> 00:24:54,480
the

573
00:25:19,230 --> 00:25:16,480
collection

574
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,240
that were shown to us were from the

575
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:21,200
1940s

576
00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,200
yes it had to be tantalizing right you

577
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:24,559
thought you had it you thought you

578
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:27,760
finally finally got the proof everything

579
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:29,919
else was from the 1940s

580
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:32,559
the little code on the slide the side of

581
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:33,679
the slide

582
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,640
uh without going all into it we it was

583
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,120
from 1947

584
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:42,720
and this body on the slide

585
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,000
looked exactly like i envisioned the

586
00:25:52,149 --> 00:25:47,520
roswell bodies

587
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:52,159
looked it looked exactly like that

588
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,360
and everything pointed to this is one of

589
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:57,200
the roswell

590
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,679
bodies now the the kicker here was

591
00:26:08,070 --> 00:26:04,640
at the foot of this body in the slide

592
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:08,080
was a flat was a placard

593
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:12,080
it was a oblong placard

594
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,159
with writing on it we for three years

595
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,120
we sent it out we tried us nobody could

596
00:26:24,310 --> 00:26:20,960
read that writing which would

597
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:24,320
obviously have told us what was

598
00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,240
what what was lying there on the slab

599
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:30,240
it could it would have said okay this is

600
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:31,600
so-and-so and so

601
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,760
we tried for three years we sent it out

602
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,000
to uh

603
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,440
various places even the army uh

604
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,840
photo interpretation unit they couldn't

605
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:43,200
break this

606
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:45,919
cursive writing so i figured well that's

607
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:47,360
it

608
00:26:53,269 --> 00:26:50,559
everything was

609
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:53,279
everything pointed to uh this is a

610
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,480
roswell

611
00:27:01,590 --> 00:26:57,600
cadaver well no sooner did we have this

612
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,870
when a day or two later here comes the

613
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,159
slide somebody

614
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:08,960
somebody has cracked the uh the writing

615
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:10,080
i'm thinking

616
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,960
oh my god how can that be we tried for

617
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,640
three years and couldn't do it here

618
00:27:19,750 --> 00:27:17,120
comes somebody

619
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,760
that that where it says it's the uh it's

620
00:27:23,269 --> 00:27:22,080
the mummified body of a

621
00:27:25,909 --> 00:27:23,279
i don't know six-year-old or

622
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,919
nine-year-old boy

623
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,559
yeah i said this i remember this and i

624
00:27:32,789 --> 00:27:30,480
was so disappointed but then

625
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,799
i had my own suspicions because jaime

626
00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:34,799
moussan was involved and jaime musan for

627
00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:36,080
those that don't know

628
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,039
was sort of like he he had this marmoset

629
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,960
monkey for a while he was saying wasn't

630
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:43,279
alien

631
00:27:48,789 --> 00:27:45,520
i mean jaime had nothing to do with the

632
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:48,799
analysis he just provided the venue

633
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,200
sure but just because but just because

634
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:53,200
he was involved and he was hyping it i

635
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:53,600
thought

636
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:55,120
this may be a hoax because of his

637
00:28:00,070 --> 00:27:57,360
involvement so i was cautiously

638
00:28:01,590 --> 00:28:00,080
hopeful that this was real but i

639
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:01,600
remember uh

640
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,200
i remember you know how fast that this

641
00:28:09,510 --> 00:28:06,880
thing fell apart they did so they did

642
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:09,520
this big pay-per-view with me then

643
00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,559
i thought i was dreaming i thought i was

644
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,720
dreaming i said this can't be true

645
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:16,720
because we we did everything we could

646
00:28:22,149 --> 00:28:18,640
for three years

647
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,159
to break this and we couldn't and here

648
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:23,760
especially when somebody you know

649
00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:25,520
they're right there on the

650
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:28,080
foot of the uh at the foot of the the

651
00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:28,799
body

652
00:28:35,269 --> 00:28:34,000
or nine-year-old boy i don't know forget

653
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,279
how old it was

654
00:28:38,870 --> 00:28:37,200
and i'm thinking that's got to be a hoax

655
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:38,880
because we tried for three years

656
00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:41,200
how can somebody in two days come up

657
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,480
with

658
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,559
break it make yeah but apparently they

659
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:47,039
had much cleaner scans or higher they

660
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:47,760
had it

661
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,559
they had a different slide because i i

662
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:53,200
only saw one slide

663
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:56,880
apparently there were more

664
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:00,240
and somehow this i don't know who it was

665
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,720
got a hold of one of the other slides

666
00:29:08,710 --> 00:29:03,760
where

667
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:08,720
someone and i i i suspect who it was now

668
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,039
uh scrambled the letters to where they

669
00:29:17,430 --> 00:29:14,399
couldn't be that you couldn't break them

670
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,440
and so we didn't i didn't know that that

671
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,279
there was another slide

672
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:21,279
that that you could unscramble the

673
00:29:24,830 --> 00:29:22,399
letters

674
00:29:26,070 --> 00:29:24,840
because the only slide we had was this

675
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,080
one

676
00:29:32,070 --> 00:29:29,279
and uh i would i was in

677
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:32,080
i was in disbelief but uh that that's

678
00:29:40,149 --> 00:29:33,120
what happened

679
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:40,159
looking back on it now i was

680
00:29:47,990 --> 00:29:44,480
captivated by what i was seeing

681
00:29:51,990 --> 00:29:48,000
plus the fact that it was a 1947

682
00:29:55,830 --> 00:29:52,000
photos from 1947 kodak photo stock

683
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:55,840
yeah so in other words the film dated

684
00:29:59,590 --> 00:29:58,559
correctly to to what was purported to be

685
00:30:02,630 --> 00:29:59,600
on the slide

686
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:02,640
and it made sense like okay so this

687
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:05,760
film stock that this slide was from is

688
00:30:10,149 --> 00:30:08,320
from 1947 so that's pretty tantalizing

689
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:10,159
and convincing evidence that it just may

690
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,149
the body looked exactly like i expected

691
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,240
it to look

692
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:21,360
yeah and uh that just uh that overtook

693
00:30:24,190 --> 00:30:22,320
me

694
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,200
because i could uh you know looking at

695
00:30:29,190 --> 00:30:26,000
1947 stock

696
00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,200
and we went to kodak the the uh the

697
00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:31,840
fella at kodak who was the expert

698
00:30:37,909 --> 00:30:34,880
on uh slide stock back in the

699
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,919
40s uh he said no

700
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,799
there's this this is okay there's this i

701
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,440
don't see any uh

702
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,760
any shenanigans going on here so that

703
00:30:49,990 --> 00:30:47,360
was it

704
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:50,000
and so we went public with that within

705
00:30:52,549 --> 00:30:52,080
two days somebody says this is a six

706
00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:52,559
year

707
00:31:00,310 --> 00:30:57,360
this is a mummified body of a boy

708
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:00,320
let's say uh two years old yeah two

709
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,840
years old

710
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,960
and i did not believe that until i

711
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,519
actually

712
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:08,240
saw we had another fella who we've been

713
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:10,480
working with and uh

714
00:31:16,789 --> 00:31:13,760
he looked he went online and he found

715
00:31:19,909 --> 00:31:16,799
he found that body when it was still

716
00:31:22,470 --> 00:31:19,919
what as they say in situ it was still

717
00:31:23,110 --> 00:31:22,480
in in at the site when they discovered

718
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,120
it and

719
00:31:27,590 --> 00:31:26,240
it was the same body same body so at

720
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:27,600
that point

721
00:31:31,590 --> 00:31:30,720
when i saw the real when the body when

722
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,600
it was still

723
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:34,159
being excavated it had the same little

724
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,279
thing around its neck

725
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:37,840
it had the same look on its face but the

726
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,320
thing that was different about it steven

727
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:42,240
was that you know when you're at the

728
00:31:47,909 --> 00:31:44,399
site it looks all dried out

729
00:31:51,750 --> 00:31:47,919
the mummified body looks all dried out

730
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:51,760
yes and uh

731
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:54,720
but you can see you can see in the

732
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,360
picture

733
00:31:59,190 --> 00:31:58,799
they uh they cleaned it up somehow and

734
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:59,200
uh

735
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:01,200
made it look like it wasn't a mummy

736
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,320
because i've seen mummies before

737
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,080
i'm sorry friends i'm having some

738
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,840
technical issues i was trying to share

739
00:32:11,190 --> 00:32:09,279
the pictures of the slides

740
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,200
anybody can google the roswell slides

741
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,120
and you'll see pictures of this body

742
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,880
and you have to admit if you look at the

743
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,440
pictures this looks like a typical

744
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,600
what you would think of roswell alien

745
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:21,120
look like after seeing all these

746
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,240
drawings and

747
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:24,320
witness descriptions over the years and

748
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:25,519
things like that

749
00:32:28,870 --> 00:32:28,159
i've seen mummified bodies and they they

750
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,880
all looked

751
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:31,360
shriveled up and desiccated that dried

752
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,720
out you know

753
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,640
this thing didn't look dried out it

754
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:36,640
looked like it had been alive

755
00:32:40,389 --> 00:32:39,120
not too uh long before that's what it

756
00:32:44,149 --> 00:32:40,399
looked like to me

757
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:44,159
so everything fell in line that it was

758
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:48,320
a to me anyway a raw a roswell

759
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:51,360
uh cadaver and uh

760
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,440
yeah and just to be clear like you and

761
00:32:56,389 --> 00:32:55,279
mr schmidt took a lot of flack for being

762
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:56,399
involved in that

763
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,640
but then we've got like richard dolan

764
00:33:02,549 --> 00:32:59,840
was involved in it and

765
00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:02,559
jaime mason and a lot of other prominent

766
00:33:06,470 --> 00:33:03,519
research people

767
00:33:08,310 --> 00:33:06,480
richard uh rich richard wasn't involved

768
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,320
in the analysis

769
00:33:12,549 --> 00:33:11,440
and neither was jaime when richard came

770
00:33:15,590 --> 00:33:12,559
on board

771
00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:15,600
uh he was he was at the

772
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:18,880
presentation to make uh just make a

773
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,200
speech of whatever he wanted

774
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,519
to you know to add credence to our to

775
00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:27,200
our show

776
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:31,120
and jaime provided the venue which was

777
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:34,080
magnificent it was the uh national

778
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,279
auditorium and

779
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:37,360
yeah it was like a big stadium right

780
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:38,720
because yes uh

781
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,080
8 000 people uh it was the national

782
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,080
auditorium in the biggest auditorium in

783
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:46,080
mexico you can't beat that

784
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:47,919
well between that and the pay-per-views

785
00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,679
somebody made an awful lot of money

786
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:51,840
yes and it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't

787
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,679
don schmidt and myself

788
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,519
no i that's why i wanted to make clear

789
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:57,279
like somebody made an awful lot of money

790
00:33:59,430 --> 00:33:58,320
out of that event between the

791
00:34:01,750 --> 00:33:59,440
pay-per-view

792
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,760
and the tickets to see the live event 8

793
00:34:04,549 --> 00:34:02,960
000 people

794
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:04,559
and nobody's ever given any of that

795
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:06,399
money back after it was proven it was a

796
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:08,720
hoax so to me that's just consumer fraud

797
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,040
they

798
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,599
uh you know those those two fellas

799
00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:13,520
disappeared on us

800
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:17,280
lickety-split yeah i could imagine

801
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,800
you know and there's been some talk

802
00:34:21,750 --> 00:34:21,040
somebody mentioned to me or claimed to

803
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:21,760
me

804
00:34:25,750 --> 00:34:24,800
that you still even after the revelation

805
00:34:29,270 --> 00:34:25,760
that it was

806
00:34:31,589 --> 00:34:29,280
refused to let it go

807
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:31,599
for a while is that accurate or did you

808
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:32,560
i let i

809
00:34:35,829 --> 00:34:35,200
refuse to let go until i saw the the

810
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:35,839
body

811
00:34:39,430 --> 00:34:38,079
that i was just telling you about sure

812
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,440
that was when it was

813
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:42,399
uh when i saw the body at the time it

814
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:43,520
was discovered i

815
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:46,399
i said okay that's that's it so i let it

816
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:47,520
go at that point

817
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:50,079
but up until that uh steve and i thought

818
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:51,440
that the

819
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:54,960
the the translation of the placard

820
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:57,599
itself was a hoax because we tried for

821
00:35:02,069 --> 00:34:58,400
three years

822
00:35:03,990 --> 00:35:02,079
to to uh translate it to to learn what

823
00:35:06,069 --> 00:35:04,000
it said we couldn't do it

824
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:06,079
and uh it wasn't just don schmidt and

825
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:07,839
myself we sent out at the different

826
00:35:11,829 --> 00:35:08,800
parties

827
00:35:14,950 --> 00:35:11,839
uh even david rudiak who

828
00:35:17,589 --> 00:35:14,960
was the chief investigator on the

829
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:17,599
so-called raimi memo

830
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,760
uh we sent it to him and he couldn't he

831
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,119
couldn't read it so

832
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:23,760
that was a big thing to us while we it's

833
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,599
beyond being read and then here comes

834
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,200
somebody and you could actually

835
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,520
read the words and i said this this

836
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,480
can't be true

837
00:35:36,630 --> 00:35:33,200
because we tried so hard for three years

838
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:36,640
so i held on to it until i actually saw

839
00:35:40,310 --> 00:35:39,280
the body when it was still an

840
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:40,320
archaeological

841
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,880
still at the archaeology site it was

842
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,000
obviously the same

843
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:47,119
body and at that point i said okay this

844
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:47,520
is

845
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,920
what they did to it to clean it up i

846
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:53,760
really don't but

847
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:56,640
uh yeah well i i think i did some work

848
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:57,280
on that

849
00:36:00,069 --> 00:35:58,640
back when that happened believe it or

850
00:36:02,069 --> 00:36:00,079
not i have a background in computer

851
00:36:04,790 --> 00:36:02,079
science and i was trying to

852
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,800
decipher what the placard said from the

853
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,720
from the screenshot that somebody put on

854
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:08,720
a website which was extremely low low

855
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:09,680
res

856
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,079
but after the event somebody posted a

857
00:36:17,109 --> 00:36:14,079
much higher resolution

858
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:17,119
uh scan or photo or whatever of

859
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:20,160
of the mummy and the placard and i was

860
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,240
almost able to do it somebody beat me to

861
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,920
it though they were so fast

862
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,599
it was because there's only so many

863
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,240
pixels and if you get extremely low res

864
00:36:31,030 --> 00:36:29,839
it's going to be too garbled you're not

865
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:31,040
going to be able to read it but once you

866
00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:32,560
get that higher res

867
00:36:37,109 --> 00:36:35,119
image yeah it's going to be quick and

868
00:36:40,230 --> 00:36:37,119
easy but you didn't have the higher res

869
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:40,240
you had the low res like preview

870
00:36:43,990 --> 00:36:43,520
image instead of the higher order higher

871
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,000
resolution

872
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,839
after the event you know and there's

873
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:47,920
probably a reason for that they knew

874
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:49,839
they knew i think they knew what that

875
00:36:53,750 --> 00:36:51,440
placard said

876
00:36:54,870 --> 00:36:53,760
yes uh we didn't know but the the

877
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:54,880
possessors

878
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:57,359
in retrospect now i believe the

879
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:58,240
possessors

880
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,800
uh scrambled the words or they did

881
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:01,760
something to the

882
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:05,520
placard that uh on the one slide

883
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:08,640
on the one slide that we had that

884
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,680
made it impossible to read because

885
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:12,240
somebody

886
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,000
got a hold and i don't know how that

887
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:15,920
happened so i finally got it up here so

888
00:37:19,270 --> 00:37:16,400
because

889
00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:19,280
i'm sorry i'm never in firefox but

890
00:37:21,990 --> 00:37:20,880
there's some weirdness going on with the

891
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,000
software to run the show

892
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:23,760
and i had to use firefox tonight so to

893
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,280
share the screen is was

894
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:28,320
was difficult so here's the picture and

895
00:37:33,589 --> 00:37:31,680
yeah the placard once clearly visible

896
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:33,599
you know it says this mummy of a

897
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:34,839
two-year-old

898
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:38,640
uh found uh

899
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:41,680
on the front of the second store of

900
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,599
montezuma castle or something like that

901
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,520
yeah so the placard is pretty clear once

902
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:46,640
you have the good

903
00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:48,880
the good image you know but the original

904
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,760
image

905
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:52,079
not so much and there was so much you

906
00:37:55,510 --> 00:37:52,880
know people

907
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,520
people even like biologists looked at

908
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:56,640
this thing and said

909
00:38:02,710 --> 00:38:00,000
there's not enough ribs or you know

910
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:02,720
there's the head and the eyes this can't

911
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,000
be a human

912
00:38:09,030 --> 00:38:06,880
you know and here's a more accurate

913
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,040
representation of what the original

914
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:11,200
you couldn't see anything on the placard

915
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,320
at first

916
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,480
in the upper right hand look the upper

917
00:38:20,069 --> 00:38:17,040
right hand corner that's the

918
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:20,079
that's what i was looking at and uh

919
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:23,839
if you notice on the put up the right

920
00:38:26,310 --> 00:38:24,640
that one yeah

921
00:38:28,150 --> 00:38:26,320
in the upper right hand corner see if i

922
00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:28,160
could get a better image of it

923
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:31,839
yeah maybe not oh and

924
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:35,200
this was the there you go this was the

925
00:38:39,510 --> 00:38:36,240
clincher for me

926
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,520
here's what the clincher was we had a

927
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:41,839
first-hand witness

928
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:44,960
uh his name was dan dwyer

929
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,560
he was a fireman for the roswell fire

930
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,720
department he got out to the site before

931
00:38:56,470 --> 00:38:53,760
the military got there

932
00:38:56,950 --> 00:38:56,480
and he saw the the the bodies on the

933
00:38:59,589 --> 00:38:56,960
ground

934
00:39:00,150 --> 00:38:59,599
and there was one that was still alive

935
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:00,160
okay

936
00:39:03,349 --> 00:39:02,240
so there were two dead and one still

937
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:03,359
alive at this

938
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:06,800
uh crash site

939
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,760
and uh we got the story from his

940
00:39:14,630 --> 00:39:10,720
daughter

941
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,640
frankie rowe because dan dwyer was

942
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,480
already dead by the time we got on the

943
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:17,680
case

944
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:20,000
but when he got home that night he told

945
00:39:22,950 --> 00:39:21,200
his family about

946
00:39:24,630 --> 00:39:22,960
being out at this crash site where a

947
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:24,640
flying saucer had

948
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:26,720
crashed and there were bodies and one

949
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:29,040
was still alive

950
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,800
and they the first thing you wanted they

951
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:32,800
wanted to know was well dad what did it

952
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:34,720
look like

953
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:38,720
and all he said was child of the earth

954
00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,320
child of the earth well to me

955
00:39:45,670 --> 00:39:44,079
that doesn't mean i don't know you know

956
00:39:47,829 --> 00:39:45,680
i'm from philadelphia i don't know what

957
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:47,839
that means

958
00:40:04,630 --> 00:39:57,750
put the picture back up oh i'm sorry

959
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:07,990
with me here i'm going to tell you what

960
00:40:16,309 --> 00:40:10,240
the clincher was

961
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:20,470
waiting for the picture there you go

962
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,839
okay so uh dan dwyer

963
00:40:27,430 --> 00:40:25,599
they wanted to know what it looked like

964
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:27,440
and he didn't say well allah had a big

965
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:27,760
head

966
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:30,880
blah blah blah blah he just said child

967
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:32,319
of the earth

968
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,119
to people living in new mexico means

969
00:40:44,069 --> 00:40:41,680
a little it's a little another name for

970
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:44,079
it it's a potato bug or the jerusalem

971
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:44,880
cricket

972
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:48,319
it's a little insect that has a head on

973
00:40:52,230 --> 00:40:48,720
it

974
00:40:56,390 --> 00:40:52,240
that reminds them of a newborn child

975
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:56,400
okay the head the head of this insect

976
00:41:05,109 --> 00:40:56,720
the

977
00:41:08,470 --> 00:41:05,119
what am i talking about

978
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,480
well a newborn child has

979
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:12,000
markings on its head because the bones

980
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,280
of the skull the

981
00:41:16,550 --> 00:41:15,839
parietals and the frontal bones they

982
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:16,560
have it

983
00:41:21,750 --> 00:41:18,880
they haven't come together yet so you

984
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:21,760
have dark markings on the head of this

985
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:23,760
newborn infant so that's why they call

986
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:25,440
this potato bug

987
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,520
that you're the child of the earth now

988
00:41:31,109 --> 00:41:29,200
if you look at that picture what do you

989
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:31,119
see on the top of the head of that

990
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:34,800
that picture there's dark markings

991
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:37,839
okay there's dark markings on the head

992
00:41:42,630 --> 00:41:40,960
of that cadaver and to me i'm saying

993
00:41:44,630 --> 00:41:42,640
there's nobody that could have hoped

994
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:44,640
that they wouldn't have known about it

995
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:45,599
because

996
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:51,030
the markings on the head and that

997
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:53,040
cadaver has markings on the head and i

998
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,720
said oh my goodness

999
00:41:59,430 --> 00:41:57,440
that's what dan dwyer was talking about

1000
00:42:01,349 --> 00:41:59,440
the markings on the head why they called

1001
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:01,359
it the child of the earth and for me

1002
00:42:09,910 --> 00:42:07,990
yeah yeah i i listen and and

1003
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,920
when this happened i didn't blame you or

1004
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:11,520
anybody else involved

1005
00:42:14,550 --> 00:42:13,920
one bit and it's a shame that people you

1006
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:14,560
know

1007
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,960
were nasty about it after the event but

1008
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:18,480
i think there was a lot of people that

1009
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,200
were hopeful

1010
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,960
and then disappointed i mean it's a

1011
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,359
nature of a good hoax that people

1012
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:26,000
you know want to believe they think this

1013
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,079
might be the smoking gun proof and

1014
00:42:31,750 --> 00:42:30,480
the evidence and then you get your

1015
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,760
bubble burst like

1016
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:33,599
my bubble got burst it was a big

1017
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,800
disappointment to me

1018
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,400
it was i thought this might be the

1019
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:38,160
smoking gun we might actually have the

1020
00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:39,119
proof now

1021
00:42:45,670 --> 00:42:42,160
it was unbelievable it was uh

1022
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,680
based on the information we had

1023
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,400
when we went public with it i would have

1024
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,119
had to come to the same conclusion

1025
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,520
because we could not read that placard

1026
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,680
we tried for three years

1027
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:58,960
we sent it to adobe we sent it to the

1028
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:02,560
us army photo interpretation unit

1029
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,160
uh david rudiak who's an expert

1030
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,560
in that a couple other places and i

1031
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,599
tried myself with my own

1032
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:13,839
photographic software over three years i

1033
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:16,000
would try it a couple times a week well

1034
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,520
maybe i could break it today

1035
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,200
i did the same thing i was doing the

1036
00:43:25,750 --> 00:43:23,760
same thing and i even went to a friend

1037
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:25,760
i even went to a friend of mine who's an

1038
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,960
image analyst

1039
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,280
like you know like a serious image

1040
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:31,119
analyst he's testified in court and

1041
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:31,599
things

1042
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,800
and done photo analysis and

1043
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,200
image enhancement for police and things

1044
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:38,160
like that

1045
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,319
and he just sent me back a message that

1046
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,920
said there's just not enough pixels

1047
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:43,920
there you're never going to read this

1048
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,400
but that of course was the original

1049
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,319
release which was just a low

1050
00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:51,680
res grainy ass you know terrible

1051
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:54,560
terrible quality picture yeah so once

1052
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:55,359
once the

1053
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:57,280
event happened then the hoaxers got

1054
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:58,400
their money i guess

1055
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:01,200
you know then somebody uploaded that day

1056
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,720
the day of the event i think it happened

1057
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,240
or the night of the event

1058
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,960
uh somebody posted a really high quality

1059
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:08,319
picture on a blog

1060
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,480
and then within hours people people were

1061
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:12,319
able to crack the code of that

1062
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,680
placard we uh

1063
00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:18,560
we were now we were never able to we

1064
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,760
were never able to

1065
00:44:23,349 --> 00:44:22,400
and when that was cracked i thought that

1066
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:23,359
itself

1067
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:26,720
that was a hoax until i actually saw

1068
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,800
uh the body that before it was removed

1069
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:32,880
from the archaeological site

1070
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:35,040
it was it was that was it i mean it was

1071
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:36,000
the same

1072
00:44:39,829 --> 00:44:37,839
mummy yeah and for those that don't know

1073
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,839
just to wrap up what happened to this

1074
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:40,480
poor

1075
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,760
two-year-old child eventually museums

1076
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,839
and and things in the united states went

1077
00:44:48,870 --> 00:44:47,599
you know it's really disrespectful to a

1078
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,880
human cadaver

1079
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,800
to put it on display so we're going to

1080
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,800
bury it and that's what they did they

1081
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:54,480
they gave it like a regular you know

1082
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,880
they buried it with respect because it's

1083
00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,319
a human being and you

1084
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,839
you know it's kind of disrespectful to

1085
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,440
stick it in a case and let everybody

1086
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,720
gawk at it

1087
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,960
so they eventually i think it was in the

1088
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,960
50s or 60s maybe they

1089
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:09,119
they took it and so this picture was

1090
00:45:13,349 --> 00:45:10,079
taken in in

1091
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,359
around 1947 or 48 and then

1092
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:16,079
decades later because of the change in

1093
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,359
thought and policy

1094
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,200
and i think pressure from native

1095
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:21,520
american groups and other things they

1096
00:45:25,030 --> 00:45:23,520
they took the body out of the museum and

1097
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,040
they buried it so

1098
00:45:32,390 --> 00:45:28,240
yeah it was originally found

1099
00:45:33,910 --> 00:45:32,400
in either 1936 or 1939 i'm not sure

1100
00:45:37,270 --> 00:45:33,920
which way but it was in the

1101
00:45:37,589 --> 00:45:37,280
uh 30s by a fella and a fellow by the

1102
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:37,599
name

1103
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,119
s l palmer of san francisco had it

1104
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:43,680
uh where it is today i couldn't tell you

1105
00:45:46,309 --> 00:45:44,160
but this

1106
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,319
i believe it's still buried from the

1107
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:47,440
from what i know

1108
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,119
i i believe they buried it after a

1109
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:50,800
certain time okay and

1110
00:45:55,109 --> 00:45:53,040
uh and that's where it was at the

1111
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:55,119
montezuma's castle or something like

1112
00:45:58,710 --> 00:45:55,440
that

1113
00:46:00,230 --> 00:45:58,720
in new mexico for a while

1114
00:46:01,589 --> 00:46:00,240
yeah what an interesting what an

1115
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:01,599
interesting part of the history of

1116
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,680
roswell just like all these other

1117
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,359
you know i've often joked that if you

1118
00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:07,599
want it seems to me that hoaxers are

1119
00:46:12,150 --> 00:46:10,240
sometimes very crafty because they know

1120
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,160
that there's a there's a already

1121
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,480
believed mythology of roswell that there

1122
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,800
were some bodies there was a crash

1123
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,800
so these people that are doing hoaxes

1124
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:20,800
they tack their hoax onto

1125
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:22,880
something people already believe which

1126
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:24,079
is that

1127
00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,720
bodies may have crashed at roswell and

1128
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:27,599
that

1129
00:46:31,589 --> 00:46:29,920
lends some legitimacy to their hoax

1130
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:31,599
right

1131
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,720
yeah uh the other thing was that

1132
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,240
i you know i have a background in

1133
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:38,640
physical anthropology

1134
00:46:46,950 --> 00:46:42,640
so uh i made a number of calls

1135
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,960
to physical anthropologists

1136
00:46:50,069 --> 00:46:48,800
because i wanted them to take a look at

1137
00:46:53,430 --> 00:46:50,079
this and

1138
00:46:56,150 --> 00:46:53,440
tell me what they thought it was

1139
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:56,160
and every one of them what the first

1140
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,760
thing they wanted to know

1141
00:47:01,030 --> 00:47:00,079
was okay what's the background story to

1142
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,040
this

1143
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:02,880
as soon as they heard roswell they

1144
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:04,640
couldn't they couldn't hang up fast

1145
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,839
enough

1146
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,880
yeah they don't want their name

1147
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:08,480
associated with that because that could

1148
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:14,309
and uh but there were certainly some

1149
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,040
medical

1150
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:17,119
and pathologists or or physical

1151
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:18,640
anthropologists that did

1152
00:47:21,750 --> 00:47:20,800
did offer some sort of opinion yes they

1153
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:21,760
were right

1154
00:47:28,069 --> 00:47:24,960
that this was they were

1155
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,079
now phd's but former fellow graduate

1156
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:30,079
students along with me at the university

1157
00:47:34,950 --> 00:47:31,680
of toronto

1158
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:34,960
so i knew them and uh i knew that they

1159
00:47:39,109 --> 00:47:36,880
were physically anthropologists

1160
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:39,119
one was a primatologist and the other

1161
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:40,160
was a uh

1162
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:43,520
geneticist and they offered me

1163
00:47:47,990 --> 00:47:46,960
uh opinions the the primatologist said

1164
00:47:50,870 --> 00:47:48,000
well

1165
00:47:51,270 --> 00:47:50,880
it's uh it's not a non-human primate

1166
00:47:57,190 --> 00:47:51,280
that's

1167
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:57,200
uh she didn't know what what it was but

1168
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,319
she said it's not

1169
00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:01,359
uh not human that's as far as she would

1170
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:01,680
go

1171
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,200
and the other one uh we used on the show

1172
00:48:09,510 --> 00:48:07,520
he still believes i mean i'm still in

1173
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:09,520
touch with him he still believes

1174
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:13,119
that it's from another planet because uh

1175
00:48:20,230 --> 00:48:17,119
he says the bone the bone uh

1176
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:20,240
structure of it is is there's a lot

1177
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:21,119
different

1178
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:23,680
than humans and he still believes that

1179
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,880
but uh

1180
00:48:28,309 --> 00:48:26,800
well maybe it could be like a could it

1181
00:48:30,870 --> 00:48:28,319
be like a human

1182
00:48:33,030 --> 00:48:30,880
deformed human like this anacoma that

1183
00:48:34,390 --> 00:48:33,040
stephen greer was pushing for so long

1184
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,400
right yeah the one

1185
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:37,200
the one that got me was there was this

1186
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:37,599
one

1187
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:41,920
uh anthropologist he has a website

1188
00:48:49,430 --> 00:48:45,839
and his uh big pitch is if you have a

1189
00:48:51,829 --> 00:48:49,440
any any uh anthropological mysteries

1190
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:51,839
is it please contact me i love

1191
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,839
anthropological mystery

1192
00:48:57,990 --> 00:48:55,440
oh i heard to talk about this before

1193
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,000
yeah so i called him up

1194
00:49:01,349 --> 00:49:00,480
and uh said oh yeah as soon as he heard

1195
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,359
roswell

1196
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:03,920
oh oh oh uncle uncle i'm heading over to

1197
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,760
africa i'm going to be back and forth

1198
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:07,520
between here and africa for the next

1199
00:49:11,670 --> 00:49:08,240
year so

1200
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:11,680
i'm sorry i uh goodbye yeah he didn't

1201
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:13,760
want to get involved yeah mr mystery

1202
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:16,480
right yeah yeah what what an interesting

1203
00:49:20,870 --> 00:49:17,760
part of the

1204
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:20,880
of the mythology right that this that

1205
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:22,720
this whole event happened and i remember

1206
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,040
like

1207
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:25,680
everybody was was tuned into this

1208
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,280
waiting to see what would happen

1209
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,359
if the proof would would finally come

1210
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:31,200
out and i remember there was talk of

1211
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,000
like

1212
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,680
uh finding it and you know getting dna

1213
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,760
samples but nobody really knew where it

1214
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,480
was because

1215
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:40,559
all we had was the slides and it was a

1216
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:42,240
big huge story

1217
00:49:46,549 --> 00:49:45,680
yeah well we uh we didn't have a slide

1218
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:46,559
that you could

1219
00:49:52,950 --> 00:49:50,079
uh crack the crack that uh

1220
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:52,960
placard that was the biggest problem

1221
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:54,960
apparently somebody got a hold of it

1222
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,960
i don't know how they did to be honest

1223
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,720
with you steve i don't know how they got

1224
00:50:03,190 --> 00:50:00,160
a hold of it we didn't get

1225
00:50:05,510 --> 00:50:03,200
it wasn't given to us and uh you're

1226
00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:05,520
right somebody made some money on it

1227
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:08,880
on the uh the video uh they had a big

1228
00:50:12,549 --> 00:50:11,520
uh you could stream it live live stream

1229
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,559
it on your

1230
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:15,040
computer yeah i think it was like twenty

1231
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:15,599
dollars

1232
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,440
and then they had it in multiple

1233
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,119
languages even

1234
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,520
for the international audience so yeah

1235
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,960
you're right somebody made a ton of

1236
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:27,920
money on this

1237
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,319
on this it wasn't us

1238
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,800
yeah well let's let's see if we can move

1239
00:50:37,109 --> 00:50:36,240
on now because i have a whole bunch of

1240
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:37,119
questions

1241
00:50:40,470 --> 00:50:39,200
left and i'd like to leave some time for

1242
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,480
the live chat to

1243
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:42,800
ask you some questions if you don't mind

1244
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,880
i wanted to get into

1245
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,880
cal and i have another big disagreement

1246
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,119
and that is on the debris switch

1247
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,160
because cal's the whole issue with the

1248
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:54,079
debris switch is that stanton friedman

1249
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:54,640
made that

1250
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:56,640
up there was no debris switch and for

1251
00:51:00,870 --> 00:50:57,760
those unaware

1252
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:00,880
those famous pictures of you know uh

1253
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:03,680
people holding the debris and then you

1254
00:51:06,549 --> 00:51:04,160
know

1255
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:06,559
uh okay it's just it's just weather

1256
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:07,680
balloon debris

1257
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:10,880
but later marcel said that marcel both

1258
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:13,200
marcel and dubose both who were in the

1259
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:13,680
room

1260
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,200
at the time those famous pictures were

1261
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,040
taken later said

1262
00:51:20,549 --> 00:51:19,200
that there was a debris switch the

1263
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:20,559
debris that they held up in those

1264
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:21,680
pictures was not

1265
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:24,160
the debris that they picked up from the

1266
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:25,440
from the ranch

1267
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:27,119
right can you talk a little bit about

1268
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:29,440
the debris switch and what do you think

1269
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:33,680
of mr corp's assertion or

1270
00:51:38,710 --> 00:51:36,000
that the debris switch was just made up

1271
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,720
by stan freeman to sell books

1272
00:51:45,270 --> 00:51:41,839
no uh marcel

1273
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:45,280
marcel and uh

1274
00:51:49,030 --> 00:51:48,480
friedman well it was uh berlin not for a

1275
00:51:52,069 --> 00:51:49,040
litter but

1276
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,079
uh burlitz and moore he says

1277
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,640
which he says it was switched his son

1278
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,040
jesse jr

1279
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:59,200
who we also interviewed said it was

1280
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:00,319
switched

1281
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,800
and jesse i never met jesse senior

1282
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,280
uh i don't i don't know if don or kevin

1283
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:08,480
did but i didn't

1284
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:11,680
i never met uh jesse senior but his son

1285
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,680
jesse jr he he held pieces of the debris

1286
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:17,599
in his hand especially the i-beam with

1287
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:18,240
the

1288
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,160
with a car full of this debris that he

1289
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:40,960
had picked up on the foster ranch

1290
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:45,040
and so he showed his son and his wife uh

1291
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:47,440
i can't pronounce her last day me via i

1292
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:54,950
but he showed his wife and his son this

1293
00:52:58,710 --> 00:52:56,160
wreckage

1294
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,720
and jesse jr who was a firsthand witness

1295
00:53:02,150 --> 00:53:00,160
to the record said it was

1296
00:53:04,470 --> 00:53:02,160
he'd never seen anything like it i mean

1297
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:04,480
he was 11 years old at the time granted

1298
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:05,520
but uh

1299
00:53:10,069 --> 00:53:08,319
he knew about aircraft and uh planes and

1300
00:53:11,910 --> 00:53:10,079
things like that

1301
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,920
he said there was this one piece that

1302
00:53:15,670 --> 00:53:14,480
was it looked like an eye beam if you

1303
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:15,680
looked at it sideways

1304
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,640
it had all this funny writing on it and

1305
00:53:23,910 --> 00:53:20,640
uh he saw the wreckage

1306
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:23,920
and it was not uh it was not a tin foil

1307
00:53:28,470 --> 00:53:24,480
like a

1308
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:28,480
a ray wind target it was not a balloon

1309
00:53:32,549 --> 00:53:32,000
so uh you have him and his father saying

1310
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:32,559
that

1311
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,640
photographs

1312
00:53:40,309 --> 00:53:38,960
so i don't i don't know what i don't

1313
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,319
know what uh

1314
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:42,960
whoever's talking about that is saying

1315
00:53:45,109 --> 00:53:43,599
yeah and

1316
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,119
one of the other things about those

1317
00:53:49,910 --> 00:53:46,720
pictures those famous pictures

1318
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,920
is the the so-called raimi memo

1319
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,240
you know he's holding uh he's holding up

1320
00:53:54,470 --> 00:53:53,599
can you tell us a little bit about that

1321
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:54,480
and what are your

1322
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:58,160
thoughts on on whether or not that memo

1323
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:01,839
says bodies and and recovered

1324
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:03,920
saucer and things like that do you think

1325
00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,960
that that is

1326
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:06,720
really good evidence or do you think

1327
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:08,839
that people are reading into

1328
00:54:14,230 --> 00:54:12,160
that just before i get to that stephen i

1329
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:14,240
want to finish with this uh

1330
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:17,440
certainly certainly uh there's a

1331
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:20,000
another uh somebody another

1332
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,280
investigators

1333
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,400
trying to make a big issue out of the

1334
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:25,599
so-called you know what the

1335
00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:29,839
the concept of chain of custody is sure

1336
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,760
you know you're like you have a you have

1337
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,599
a murder weapon

1338
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:36,000
in a criminal case what's the chain of

1339
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:37,280
custody

1340
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:40,640
who who who had access to that

1341
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,760
murder weapon by the time he got there

1342
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,079
so they're trying to say that because

1343
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:48,559
jesse marcel

1344
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:52,079
stopped at his home on the way back

1345
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:55,839
to the base with that wreckage well

1346
00:55:02,710 --> 00:54:59,200
it it broke the chain of custody oh wow

1347
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,720
jeez be still my heart uh back uh

1348
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:04,559
back there that chick the concept of

1349
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,240
chain of custody is a recent

1350
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,880
legal doctrine jesse marcel didn't know

1351
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,319
anything about a so-called

1352
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,559
chain of custody doctrine yeah not

1353
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:13,760
unfortunately

1354
00:55:18,630 --> 00:55:16,799
sure he wanted to show his family

1355
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,640
something that they had never seen

1356
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:20,079
before and we'll probably never

1357
00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:23,599
see again and besides

1358
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:25,599
legally today you would say oh yeah he

1359
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:27,280
did break the chain of custody because

1360
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:29,119
he didn't come straight back to the base

1361
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:31,200
he stopped at home first oh so what did

1362
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:33,280
he do he what did he do change it

1363
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:35,280
a weather balloon into a piece of a

1364
00:55:38,789 --> 00:55:37,200
spaceship is that what you're saying

1365
00:55:40,950 --> 00:55:38,799
yeah it doesn't make any sense it

1366
00:55:44,069 --> 00:55:40,960
doesn't make any sense and also

1367
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,079
uh you have a whole field a whole

1368
00:55:48,789 --> 00:55:47,280
sheet pasture full of the wreckage out

1369
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:48,799
there this is only a small

1370
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:51,359
portion of the wreckage you have a whole

1371
00:55:54,470 --> 00:55:51,920
three

1372
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,480
crash sites full of wreckage that we do

1373
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,119
know the chain of custody so

1374
00:56:00,549 --> 00:55:59,599
we can take we could take marcel out of

1375
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:00,559
the picture

1376
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:04,559
and we still have a the the roswell case

1377
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:07,040
it's it's absolutely silly who's ever

1378
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:08,559
making that

1379
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,079
that uh argument absolutely just

1380
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:14,000
just one more point on the debris you

1381
00:56:17,430 --> 00:56:15,359
know these

1382
00:56:19,109 --> 00:56:17,440
marcel was an art he was army

1383
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:19,119
intelligence he would have been familiar

1384
00:56:22,309 --> 00:56:19,520
with

1385
00:56:23,109 --> 00:56:22,319
weather balloons and things so yeah he

1386
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:23,119
knew

1387
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,720
targets especially

1388
00:56:30,150 --> 00:56:29,040
he knew them all he's not going to make

1389
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,160
a mistake

1390
00:56:33,670 --> 00:56:32,960
of uh confusing a ray wind weather

1391
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:33,680
target

1392
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,839
with a spaceship that traveled from

1393
00:56:39,670 --> 00:56:37,839
another planet uh that

1394
00:56:41,030 --> 00:56:39,680
yeah he famously said the thing the

1395
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,040
material that i saw

1396
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:43,040
was not of this earth that's what he

1397
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,160
said that's right

1398
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:46,240
he said that impressed with it he said

1399
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,240
it came to earth but it was not

1400
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:51,119
from this earth it was from another

1401
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:51,760
planet

1402
00:56:58,549 --> 00:56:55,200
uh something like that yeah so he

1403
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:58,559
he knew when he stopped at home

1404
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,119
on his way back to the base his son said

1405
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:02,880
he was already talking

1406
00:57:07,750 --> 00:57:06,000
about it as pieces of a flying saucer he

1407
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:07,760
was already talking about it

1408
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,440
even before he got back to the base

1409
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:14,480
wow yeah so and then on to the raimi

1410
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:16,319
memo because a lot has been oh yeah

1411
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:18,400
has been said about the rainy memo and

1412
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:19,359
for those that don't know

1413
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,440
in the in the famous pictures that were

1414
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,520
taken of the roswell debris

1415
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:26,720
uh there's he's holding a

1416
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,160
uh a piece a sheet of paper and

1417
00:57:33,990 --> 00:57:32,400
uh a lot of people have claimed that

1418
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,000
they were able to decipher

1419
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:36,720
exactly what is on that piece of paper

1420
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:37,760
and it talked about

1421
00:57:42,069 --> 00:57:41,200
recovering alien bodies and a crashed

1422
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:42,079
saucer

1423
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,839
what do you think of the validity of

1424
00:57:46,789 --> 00:57:45,760
that as evidence and do you think that

1425
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:46,799
that

1426
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:49,040
case will ever be cracked with better

1427
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:50,480
energy software

1428
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,079
i could tell you firsthand uh this is

1429
00:57:58,549 --> 00:57:55,760
even before i heard of

1430
00:58:00,069 --> 00:57:58,559
david rudiak who did most of the work on

1431
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:00,079
this

1432
00:58:12,789 --> 00:58:08,789
stanton friedman had gone to

1433
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:12,799
the uh bettman archives at the

1434
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:17,440
um uh oh i forget the uh

1435
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,119
where the the images are stored the

1436
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,240
university of texas at arlington

1437
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,880
archives that's where the photo images

1438
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:28,960
are stored and he had a

1439
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:32,880
he had the photo in question

1440
00:58:40,710 --> 00:58:36,079
photographed and he made

1441
00:58:43,990 --> 00:58:40,720
a uh cd disc out of it

1442
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:44,000
uh dvd or cd i

1443
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:48,839
you know with images of the of the uh

1444
00:58:54,069 --> 00:58:51,839
memo so i called up stan i said the

1445
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,079
you know uh i'm good for the money i'll

1446
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,839
send you he was selling it for 25

1447
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,119
dollars i said

1448
00:59:01,750 --> 00:58:58,880
send it to me and the check is in the

1449
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:01,760
mail so the stand sent me a

1450
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,640
yeah i got one of those too yeah so here

1451
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,119
i have it on a shelf over here

1452
00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:10,079
i do before he died i i got to interview

1453
00:59:12,710 --> 00:59:10,480
him

1454
00:59:14,230 --> 00:59:12,720
about a year ago two years before he

1455
00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:14,240
died and one of the things we talked

1456
00:59:17,750 --> 00:59:15,440
about off air

1457
00:59:19,589 --> 00:59:17,760
was that was that high quality scan and

1458
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:19,599
i said i'm a computer science guy

1459
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:20,960
send it to me i might be able to get

1460
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,400
something out of it i wasn't able to do

1461
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,680
any better than mr

1462
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:26,559
what was rudiac right here's here's what

1463
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:28,079
happened to me

1464
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,720
so i had not heard of david rudiak i

1465
00:59:33,030 --> 00:59:32,319
didn't know what the i didn't know what

1466
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:33,040
the

1467
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:42,069
at um so i put it in my computer

1468
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:46,240
and within 10 seconds stephen i read

1469
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:48,559
the victims of the wreck you forwarded

1470
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,240
to and then raymie's thumb

1471
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,640
is in the picture at fort worth texas

1472
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,720
within 10 seconds i read

1473
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:57,359
the victims of the wreck you forwarded

1474
01:00:02,150 --> 00:59:58,480
to

1475
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,160
fort worth texas that's no lie

1476
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:04,400
and other words that i could uh looking

1477
01:00:09,430 --> 01:00:06,880
down i i read

1478
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:09,440
i could read meaning of the story i

1479
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,839
could read meaning of the story

1480
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:14,240
and i could also read whether balloons

1481
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:15,520
would bake

1482
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:18,559
or whether balloons would fare and

1483
01:00:26,470 --> 01:00:22,720
something and the last sentence was uh

1484
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,480
uh cr uh cruz something cruz

1485
01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:29,680
work crews demo crews something about

1486
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:32,960
uh cruise and uh oh

1487
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:35,680
i could also see the word something in

1488
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:36,880
or on the disk

1489
01:00:41,109 --> 01:00:40,079
the word disk was in quote quotation

1490
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:41,119
marks

1491
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:44,720
so that's what i could read and uh david

1492
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,079
rudiak who's a uh

1493
01:00:51,430 --> 01:00:49,200
doctor of optometry yeah

1494
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,440
he's got he's got a better uh he's got a

1495
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:52,880
better resume than me

1496
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,760
but i still thought i'd give it a shot i

1497
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,280
did and i wasn't able to do

1498
01:01:01,190 --> 01:00:59,280
any better but i probably did worse than

1499
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,200
him

1500
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:03,839
david rudiak was able to get more out of

1501
01:01:07,990 --> 01:01:04,880
it because he worked

1502
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:08,000
fee you know feverishly on it and he

1503
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:11,599
was able to translate more of it and

1504
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,480
what it's talking about it's uh talking

1505
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:17,359
about a second site

1506
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:22,400
uh it's talking about uh having

1507
01:01:29,670 --> 01:01:26,160
ray win demonstrations and they did the

1508
01:01:30,710 --> 01:01:29,680
the on july starting on july 10 they had

1509
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,720
the uh

1510
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,119
army air corps do or the army do these

1511
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:34,960
demonstrations of these

1512
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:37,520
weather balloons attached to a radar

1513
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,240
target

1514
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:40,799
to sort of prove the press release that

1515
01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:43,040
it wasn't a spaceship but a

1516
01:01:53,589 --> 01:01:51,030
tinfoil target so it talks about having

1517
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:53,599
ray wind demonstration crews that's what

1518
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,760
it was doing

1519
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:58,079
and uh for the next couple days they had

1520
01:02:00,950 --> 01:01:59,839
these demonstrations all over the

1521
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:00,960
country

1522
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,559
with these uh mobile uh

1523
01:02:07,589 --> 01:02:07,280
launches of the the weather balloon and

1524
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:07,599
the

1525
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:10,559
radar target so uh hats off to david

1526
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,359
rudiak he did the most work on this

1527
01:02:17,589 --> 01:02:16,000
and uh apparently i've heard i heard

1528
01:02:19,990 --> 01:02:17,599
critics just say well they're people are

1529
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:20,000
reading whatever they want but i mean

1530
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:21,680
it seems to me it seems to me to be a

1531
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,119
very scientific

1532
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,400
analysis of this memo from a super high

1533
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,960
quality scan that stan freeman got from

1534
01:02:32,950 --> 01:02:30,319
the original archive

1535
01:02:34,150 --> 01:02:32,960
from the original negatives of the photo

1536
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:34,160
the super high quality

1537
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:38,160
scan of the photo so they got the most

1538
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,160
high quality image that they could and

1539
01:02:45,270 --> 01:02:41,839
then it was scientifically

1540
01:02:46,309 --> 01:02:45,280
analyzed when i looked at it the first

1541
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,319
time i had no

1542
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,359
pre preconception of what it was going

1543
01:02:54,630 --> 01:02:50,960
to say

1544
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:54,640
well you have to uh uh

1545
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:58,079
think of the circumstances it's he's

1546
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:01,599
holding the memo in his hand

1547
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:04,799
at a press conference that's

1548
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,440
that's going to take away it's going to

1549
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:09,680
explain away

1550
01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:13,280
ufo or flying saucer crash wreckage as

1551
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,280
a ray wind weather balloon target

1552
01:03:24,309 --> 01:03:20,880
so that he has that in his hand and

1553
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,319
there were seven photographs taken

1554
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:26,960
six of them of uh let's see two of them

1555
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:28,079
of

1556
01:03:38,150 --> 01:03:35,520
with his uh

1557
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:38,160
adjutant uh thomas jefferson dubose

1558
01:03:42,069 --> 01:03:39,280
dubose yeah

1559
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,079
and one with uh the weather guy uh

1560
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:44,640
irving newton who he called in

1561
01:03:47,910 --> 01:03:47,280
but between those seven photos you could

1562
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:47,920
tell

1563
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:51,039
what the sequence of the photos and what

1564
01:03:55,750 --> 01:03:52,480
sequence they were taking

1565
01:03:59,109 --> 01:03:55,760
by the memo in his hand because

1566
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:59,119
the the first uh photo in the sequence

1567
01:04:02,390 --> 01:03:59,760
he's just

1568
01:04:03,270 --> 01:04:02,400
received the memo it's only folded over

1569
01:04:06,150 --> 01:04:03,280
once

1570
01:04:07,670 --> 01:04:06,160
but in that final photo that shows the

1571
01:04:11,829 --> 01:04:07,680
uh

1572
01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:11,839
you can see it's been photo folded

1573
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,039
several times

1574
01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:15,599
so that's the final photo he's trying to

1575
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:16,559
grab

1576
01:04:19,829 --> 01:04:19,039
a look at it what it's saying between

1577
01:04:22,390 --> 01:04:19,839
shots

1578
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,400
and that's what happened yeah and it's

1579
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:24,079
very tantalizing because some of the

1580
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:25,680
even some of these images i mean

1581
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,599
it looks like you can almost read it and

1582
01:04:32,230 --> 01:04:28,720
these are like

1583
01:04:34,470 --> 01:04:32,240
you know the problem stephen is that

1584
01:04:36,069 --> 01:04:34,480
uh if you enlarge it you're also

1585
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:36,079
enlarging the green

1586
01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:39,520
the green the photo was taken from about

1587
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,880
15 feet away i would say 10 to 15 feet

1588
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:43,680
away

1589
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,839
and it's a little you know a little

1590
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:47,359
telex or

1591
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:51,200
memorandum yeah you have to

1592
01:04:54,950 --> 01:04:53,039
you have to keep enlarging it and when

1593
01:04:57,990 --> 01:04:54,960
you do that you also enlarge

1594
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:58,000
the distortion in the grain so it's

1595
01:05:01,829 --> 01:04:59,599
pretty much what we're going to get out

1596
01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,839
of it well do you think though that like

1597
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:03,839
maybe in 10 or 20 years when

1598
01:05:08,549 --> 01:05:06,720
photo image analysis software gets

1599
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:08,559
better that we might be able to get more

1600
01:05:11,829 --> 01:05:09,599
out of it or do you have

1601
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:11,839
gotten it all i hope so i hope it's

1602
01:05:15,510 --> 01:05:13,760
sooner than that

1603
01:05:17,029 --> 01:05:15,520
yeah it just always seems so tantalizing

1604
01:05:17,670 --> 01:05:17,039
because here we just see this image and

1605
01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:17,680
it looks

1606
01:05:22,549 --> 01:05:20,079
even in this image which is just like a

1607
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,559
crop of the original photo it looks like

1608
01:05:25,670 --> 01:05:23,839
you can almost read it

1609
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,680
right it really does look like you can

1610
01:05:30,630 --> 01:05:28,240
almost read it i've tried it for over

1611
01:05:33,190 --> 01:05:30,640
let's see i i forget what year i got it

1612
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:33,200
but it seems like i've been trying for

1613
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,000
20 years okay maybe today i'll learn

1614
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:37,760
i'll be able to see more but it

1615
01:05:43,349 --> 01:05:41,200
it never happens all right

1616
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:43,359
i get a better if not unless i get a

1617
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:44,720
better photo

1618
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:47,520
package sure and i guess moving on i

1619
01:05:50,470 --> 01:05:49,440
wanted to discuss the multiple crash

1620
01:05:51,990 --> 01:05:50,480
sites because

1621
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:52,000
there seems to be some debate even

1622
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:53,920
amongst researchers that are pro

1623
01:05:58,390 --> 01:05:57,280
the alien hypothesis uh some people

1624
01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,400
believe that these

1625
01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:00,480
additional crash sites were tacked on

1626
01:06:03,990 --> 01:06:02,319
after the actual event

1627
01:06:06,150 --> 01:06:04,000
and and that there was really only one

1628
01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:06,160
crash site some people say there was

1629
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:07,760
a lot of people say there was two and

1630
01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:09,440
i've heard some people say no there was

1631
01:06:12,789 --> 01:06:10,000
three

1632
01:06:14,549 --> 01:06:12,799
different crash or debris sites can you

1633
01:06:17,109 --> 01:06:14,559
talk a little bit about

1634
01:06:18,870 --> 01:06:17,119
the sequence of events that led to the

1635
01:06:23,029 --> 01:06:18,880
multiple

1636
01:06:26,349 --> 01:06:23,039
crash sites if you believe there was yes

1637
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:26,359
when i first got started on the case of

1638
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:33,589
uh the the the only book out

1639
01:06:42,630 --> 01:06:37,440
at that time was the roswell incident by

1640
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:42,640
uh charles burlitz and william moore

1641
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:44,480
that was the only book out stanton

1642
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:46,079
friedman work

1643
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:49,039
did the investigation with moore berlitz

1644
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:50,880
had the big name because he had just

1645
01:06:53,589 --> 01:06:52,480
written a book about the bermuda

1646
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,599
triangle

1647
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:56,160
which was a big seller so that's how

1648
01:07:02,630 --> 01:06:58,839
they put his name on the book

1649
01:07:05,990 --> 01:07:02,640
um but in the roswell incident

1650
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,000
they have the mac razzle story

1651
01:07:11,349 --> 01:07:08,400
with that one debris we call it the

1652
01:07:15,109 --> 01:07:11,359
debris field site

1653
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,119
up uh 33 miles southeast of corona

1654
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:18,240
new mexico that's where the ship

1655
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:21,599
exploded in the air and all this uh

1656
01:07:28,069 --> 01:07:24,720
debris came floating down on the evening

1657
01:07:30,150 --> 01:07:28,079
of july the second 1947.

1658
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:30,160
that's that's the first site that

1659
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:32,799
anybody knew about

1660
01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:36,880
and uh so uh

1661
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:39,680
moore and friedman that you know that

1662
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,559
they had heard stories about bodies

1663
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:45,119
but there were no bodies at that site it

1664
01:07:49,270 --> 01:07:45,599
just

1665
01:07:52,309 --> 01:07:49,280
physical wreckage the only body site

1666
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:52,319
circulating at that time was a story by

1667
01:07:58,470 --> 01:07:55,119
a soil conservation engineer

1668
01:08:03,829 --> 01:07:58,480
by the name of barney barnett who

1669
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:03,839
uh worked out of office in socorro

1670
01:08:10,069 --> 01:08:07,200
new mexico and his story was that

1671
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:10,079
when one he was coming home from battle

1672
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,599
new mexico

1673
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,400
one day and something caught his eye out

1674
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,400
in the desert

1675
01:08:21,269 --> 01:08:18,880
and so he went out to investigate and it

1676
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:21,279
was a crashed flying saucer

1677
01:08:28,309 --> 01:08:25,040
with a couple with alien bodies

1678
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,319
strewn about and uh

1679
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:31,520
it was on the plains of san agustin

1680
01:08:35,910 --> 01:08:34,239
and uh that was the only body story

1681
01:08:38,390 --> 01:08:35,920
going around so

1682
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:38,400
friedman and moore attacked that that

1683
01:08:43,829 --> 01:08:39,279
barney barnett

1684
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:43,839
story on to the roswell story

1685
01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:46,960
and uh the that site is 150 miles

1686
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:50,480
west of the corona site

1687
01:08:56,950 --> 01:08:54,000
so when i uh entered the case

1688
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,960
uh randall and schmidt had already

1689
01:09:01,990 --> 01:08:58,400
pretty much

1690
01:09:04,070 --> 01:09:02,000
dismissed the corona the

1691
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:04,080
the socorro site plays the same

1692
01:09:07,110 --> 01:09:05,120
augustine

1693
01:09:08,709 --> 01:09:07,120
as having anything to do with the

1694
01:09:10,709 --> 01:09:08,719
roswell site because

1695
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,719
there was only the one witness barney

1696
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:12,159
barnett there were

1697
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:15,920
no other witnesses military or civilian

1698
01:09:20,950 --> 01:09:18,560
uh blah blah blah nothing nothing to go

1699
01:09:22,630 --> 01:09:20,960
on just that the one story from barney

1700
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:22,640
barnett

1701
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:26,480
and uh they had they had had

1702
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:29,120
witnesses telling randall and schmidt of

1703
01:09:33,110 --> 01:09:29,679
another

1704
01:09:36,309 --> 01:09:33,120
site closer to roswell

1705
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,319
well they discovered a site

1706
01:09:39,349 --> 01:09:38,880
through one of the children who were

1707
01:09:41,590 --> 01:09:39,359
with

1708
01:09:43,349 --> 01:09:41,600
uh mac brazil the morning that he

1709
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:43,359
discovered the debris field site

1710
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:46,400
his name was timothy d procter that

1711
01:09:51,990 --> 01:09:49,600
there was a secondary site

1712
01:09:53,669 --> 01:09:52,000
two and a half miles east of the debris

1713
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:53,679
field site

1714
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:56,000
and he was uh he he was with mack

1715
01:10:01,270 --> 01:09:57,600
browser when they found it

1716
01:10:04,149 --> 01:10:01,280
and at that site he told his mother and

1717
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:04,159
we got the story from his mother

1718
01:10:11,350 --> 01:10:07,920
here's where mac found something else

1719
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:11,360
it was a low bluff

1720
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:14,960
and uh he took his mother out there when

1721
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,880
she was doing her secret he

1722
01:10:21,189 --> 01:10:18,880
he thought she was on her deathbed but

1723
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:21,199
he was so determined to show her this

1724
01:10:25,110 --> 01:10:23,199
like

1725
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:25,120
before she passed away well she didn't

1726
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:26,960
she only passed away many years later

1727
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:27,360
but

1728
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:29,760
he plopped her in his pickup truck and

1729
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,920
out into the desert they go

1730
01:10:35,350 --> 01:10:33,760
and he took her to this low bluff two

1731
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:35,360
and a half miles east of the debris

1732
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:37,440
field site and he said mom

1733
01:10:44,470 --> 01:10:40,640
this is where mac found something

1734
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:44,480
else now that's something else was not

1735
01:10:49,830 --> 01:10:47,679
wreckage it was two bodies

1736
01:10:51,910 --> 01:10:49,840
it was two bodies that when the ship

1737
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:51,920
exploded

1738
01:10:58,390 --> 01:10:55,280
these two the two uh aliens

1739
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:58,400
were thrown out and they came to rest

1740
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:02,080
on this low bluff and that's the second

1741
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:02,800
sight

1742
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:05,920
we call it the deep proctor body site

1743
01:11:10,550 --> 01:11:08,480
he wouldn't he wouldn't take his

1744
01:11:11,189 --> 01:11:10,560
deathbed mother out this show or another

1745
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,199
site well

1746
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:13,360
here's where matt matt found some more

1747
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:14,239
wreckage i mean

1748
01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:16,239
there was so much wreckage in the debris

1749
01:11:19,830 --> 01:11:17,760
field site i mean

1750
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:19,840
it just wasn't it wasn't anything that

1751
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:20,800
he would do that

1752
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,360
so uh it was two bodies

1753
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,520
so that's the second site two and a half

1754
01:11:32,310 --> 01:11:29,040
miles east

1755
01:11:34,630 --> 01:11:32,320
of the debris field site well we had a

1756
01:11:36,149 --> 01:11:34,640
number of witnesses telling us about a

1757
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:36,159
third site

1758
01:11:40,070 --> 01:11:38,560
we call it if there's clean crashes

1759
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:40,080
don't isn't there when there's plane

1760
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:41,040
crashes you could

1761
01:11:45,189 --> 01:11:43,600
find bodies miles away from the main

1762
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,199
debris site or

1763
01:11:49,669 --> 01:11:48,080
i would think so right well it's only

1764
01:11:52,870 --> 01:11:49,679
two and a half miles

1765
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:52,880
i mean the thing exploded

1766
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:56,640
and uh the thing was that

1767
01:12:03,430 --> 01:12:00,159
the inner cabin of the ship

1768
01:12:07,270 --> 01:12:03,440
or an escape pod of some sort

1769
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:07,280
withstood the blast

1770
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,520
there was another there was a there was

1771
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,360
a capsule inside

1772
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:13,440
where there was the inner cabin or so

1773
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,360
something was able it was

1774
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:18,719
it was egg-shaped it was able to

1775
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:21,520
withstand the blast that continued on

1776
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:25,440
for another 30 miles and came to rest

1777
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,360
32 miles north northwest of roswell now

1778
01:12:36,630 --> 01:12:32,480
apparently these two creatures or aliens

1779
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:36,640
were not inside this this capsule

1780
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:38,800
at the time and we're outside of it and

1781
01:12:43,189 --> 01:12:40,080
we're blown out

1782
01:12:46,709 --> 01:12:43,199
and they came to rest down on this uh

1783
01:12:47,669 --> 01:12:46,719
this uh low bluff we had another witness

1784
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:47,679
who told about

1785
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:49,920
told about that site and seeing the

1786
01:12:53,270 --> 01:12:51,040
bodies

1787
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:53,280
there's a second witness besides deep

1788
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:54,080
proctor

1789
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:57,120
who who actually described the bodies to

1790
01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:58,159
us

1791
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:02,159
well this capsule it continues on for

1792
01:13:07,110 --> 01:13:05,120
another 30 miles and finally comes to

1793
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,120
rest

1794
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:10,320
32 miles north northwest

1795
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:13,840
of roswell we call that the impact site

1796
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:16,880
that's where in addition to this

1797
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:21,040
this uh egg-shaped affair

1798
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,560
was found two more dead aliens were

1799
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,000
found and one

1800
01:13:29,669 --> 01:13:28,719
was still alive was found at this third

1801
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:29,679
site so

1802
01:13:35,270 --> 01:13:33,280
those are the three sites

1803
01:13:37,189 --> 01:13:35,280
okay well that makes a little more sense

1804
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:37,199
to me and it seems to be a logical thing

1805
01:13:40,310 --> 01:13:38,239
that if there was a

1806
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,320
you know some kind of event that caused

1807
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:42,080
the craft to go down that it could come

1808
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:42,560
down

1809
01:13:46,070 --> 01:13:44,320
three separate places just like an

1810
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:46,080
airplane could come down three separate

1811
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:47,040
places

1812
01:13:51,990 --> 01:13:50,320
but back to the bodies you've talked to

1813
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:52,000
a lot of witnesses about what

1814
01:13:55,510 --> 01:13:53,679
happened to the bodies can you talk

1815
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:55,520
briefly about what

1816
01:13:58,830 --> 01:13:57,360
what did they do the government with

1817
01:14:02,870 --> 01:13:58,840
these bodies

1818
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:02,880
well the uh the dead ones of course

1819
01:14:09,510 --> 01:14:07,760
were uh boxed up uh

1820
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:09,520
i mean there was a call to this

1821
01:14:14,470 --> 01:14:10,880
mortician

1822
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:14,480
glenn dennis uh at least he told the

1823
01:14:18,149 --> 01:14:15,840
story at the time we

1824
01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,159
we have witnessed that he that he told

1825
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,920
people at the time that he had received

1826
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:21,920
calls from the air base

1827
01:14:29,189 --> 01:14:25,600
roswell army airfield as was called

1828
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:29,199
uh he had received calls inquiring about

1829
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:30,800
their availability

1830
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:34,480
of child-sized assets

1831
01:14:39,270 --> 01:14:37,440
and uh glenn's glenn i think he said

1832
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:39,280
well we have one but we can get

1833
01:14:45,830 --> 01:14:43,280
more and uh

1834
01:14:48,070 --> 01:14:45,840
they actually uh next door to ballard's

1835
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,080
at the time there was a mortuary

1836
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,159
services department you know that sold

1837
01:14:54,709 --> 01:14:52,000
things like tombstones

1838
01:14:56,390 --> 01:14:54,719
and caskets and all that sort of stuff

1839
01:14:59,510 --> 01:14:56,400
and uh

1840
01:15:02,630 --> 01:14:59,520
they actually went to amarillo and

1841
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:02,640
picked up the caskets

1842
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:05,679
so the story about caskets is true

1843
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:09,280
because glen dennis told

1844
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:11,920
two of the witnesses that we we know of

1845
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:14,480
he told it to where one was a policeman

1846
01:15:20,390 --> 01:15:18,880
the other was a judge so i mean

1847
01:15:22,630 --> 01:15:20,400
it's not like yeah those are pretty

1848
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,640
critical witnesses despite it

1849
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:24,560
but i have heard a lot of people sort of

1850
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:26,560
rip apart glenn dennis as a witness in

1851
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,159
the nurse story and things like that

1852
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,880
what do you think of that story

1853
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:33,440
yes the uh we believe the part we

1854
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,480
believe the part

1855
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,440
about the cast the phone calls and the

1856
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:39,360
caskets we believe that part the other

1857
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,760
part

1858
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:42,400
about him going to the base and running

1859
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,320
into a nurse friend

1860
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,880
and et cetera chapter he he lied to us

1861
01:15:51,110 --> 01:15:48,800
about the name of the nurse

1862
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:51,120
and we spent a good two years trying to

1863
01:15:54,229 --> 01:15:52,320
find her

1864
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:54,239
and we couldn't find a nurse with the

1865
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,600
name of naomi

1866
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,320
maria's self and so we went to glenn

1867
01:16:00,790 --> 01:16:00,000
glenn we can't finally there's there's

1868
01:16:03,189 --> 01:16:00,800
no more

1869
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:03,199
if we can't find that nurse anywhere as

1870
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:04,880
ever being in the army so well i

1871
01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:07,520
i gave you i gave you a phony name oh

1872
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:08,000
god

1873
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:10,239
thank you oh it's just yeah i just

1874
01:16:13,669 --> 01:16:11,520
wasted all this time

1875
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,679
yeah we just wasted two years on that

1876
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:16,000
and you're telling us you lied to us

1877
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:20,719
so that part of his story is

1878
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:24,400
we just take that away well mr schmidt

1879
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,880
also

1880
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:26,719
you talked about chain of custody so if

1881
01:16:30,870 --> 01:16:28,400
we if we do get into the chain of

1882
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,880
custody of these bodies so

1883
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:33,120
allegedly they called and asked about

1884
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,040
child-sized coffins and then

1885
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,920
uh the the bodies were then flown to

1886
01:16:41,750 --> 01:16:39,120
where right patterson

1887
01:16:43,270 --> 01:16:41,760
right well they were they were taken to

1888
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:43,280
the base first

1889
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,880
they were taken to the base like

1890
01:16:48,550 --> 01:16:47,199
everything else when it first went to

1891
01:16:51,669 --> 01:16:48,560
the base hanger

1892
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:51,679
the big hanger there uh it's still there

1893
01:16:55,669 --> 01:16:53,040
it's building 84

1894
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:55,679
it's still a working hanger but back

1895
01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:56,880
then it was hangar p

1896
01:17:01,510 --> 01:17:00,000
is in paul three and uh

1897
01:17:03,990 --> 01:17:01,520
that's where everything went including

1898
01:17:06,070 --> 01:17:04,000
the bodies made their first stop there

1899
01:17:07,270 --> 01:17:06,080
before they were transferred to the base

1900
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:07,280
hospital

1901
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:10,560
excuse me and then they were flown out

1902
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:11,679
in two

1903
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,719
separate flights to

1904
01:17:19,430 --> 01:17:17,360
right field soon to be right patterson

1905
01:17:22,310 --> 01:17:19,440
air force base in dayton ohio

1906
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:22,320
but back then it was called right field

1907
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:22,719
but

1908
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,760
those were the cadavers we don't know

1909
01:17:29,990 --> 01:17:27,360
how long the

1910
01:17:30,870 --> 01:17:30,000
live one we believe the live one stayed

1911
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:30,880
on the base

1912
01:17:35,669 --> 01:17:33,679
in roswell oh yeah you gotta tell you

1913
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:35,679
gotta talk about the live one because

1914
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,320
there's

1915
01:17:39,510 --> 01:17:38,080
been various reports that one of them

1916
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:39,520
was alive

1917
01:17:43,030 --> 01:17:41,280
and this is where we get some of these

1918
01:17:44,709 --> 01:17:43,040
stories about the

1919
01:17:46,950 --> 01:17:44,719
alien being interviewed or

1920
01:17:47,990 --> 01:17:46,960
telepathically communicating with people

1921
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:48,000
or they tried to

1922
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,000
like interrogate him find out where he

1923
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:52,159
was from what he was doing on earth

1924
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:53,840
because you can imagine if you're in the

1925
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:55,679
army especially if you're a high-ranking

1926
01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:57,280
officer and you're concerned about a

1927
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:58,239
threat

1928
01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:59,520
they would have interviewed him and

1929
01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:01,360
found out what what the hell were you

1930
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:03,360
doing here on earth right is this

1931
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:06,719
is this a recon for an invasion force or

1932
01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,920
something right

1933
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:09,440
can you talk about the live one because

1934
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:11,600
this is a fascinating part of the story

1935
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:14,880
okay the live one was first seen

1936
01:18:20,630 --> 01:18:17,920
like i said dan dwyer the

1937
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:20,640
roswell fireman saw the live one out at

1938
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:21,120
the

1939
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:25,040
impact site walking around

1940
01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:27,679
and his family after they learned what

1941
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:29,760
it looked like they said well

1942
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,159
did you talk to it did you talk to it

1943
01:18:36,550 --> 01:18:33,840
and he said yes

1944
01:18:38,310 --> 01:18:36,560
we talked to one another but we didn't

1945
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:38,320
talk like we're talking now with our

1946
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:38,800
mouth

1947
01:18:41,910 --> 01:18:41,120
and you know our we didn't talk like we

1948
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:41,920
talked

1949
01:18:51,510 --> 01:18:45,280
like men

1950
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:51,520
the uh being

1951
01:18:56,709 --> 01:18:55,280
sensed that uh that dan dwyer was

1952
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:56,719
concerned about it

1953
01:19:00,950 --> 01:18:59,679
and so what what it said to dan dwyer

1954
01:19:04,070 --> 01:19:00,960
mentally was

1955
01:19:08,709 --> 01:19:04,080
don't worry about me

1956
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:08,719
i accept my fate my comrades are dead

1957
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:11,280
my ship is destroyed there's not

1958
01:19:17,110 --> 01:19:14,640
anything i can do i i accept my fate

1959
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,120
and that was that was all hit it was

1960
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:19,679
exchanged between dan dwyer and the

1961
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:22,880
live one out at the site well the uh

1962
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:25,199
the military then arrives and takes the

1963
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,000
everything

1964
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:28,080
you know the the bodies and the live one

1965
01:19:34,709 --> 01:19:30,640
back back to the base

1966
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:37,669
the the live one we believe remained at

1967
01:19:42,550 --> 01:19:39,840
the base for a period of time

1968
01:19:44,470 --> 01:19:42,560
because we have a witness or two that

1969
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:44,480
saw it there

1970
01:19:49,430 --> 01:19:47,840
and we think it was kept uh for time at

1971
01:19:52,390 --> 01:19:49,440
the guard house

1972
01:19:53,590 --> 01:19:52,400
uh for first at the hospital but once

1973
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:53,600
once it was

1974
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,960
you know ambulatory it uh

1975
01:20:01,430 --> 01:19:58,880
they kept it at the guard house believe

1976
01:20:02,870 --> 01:20:01,440
it or not in military fatigues that

1977
01:20:05,590 --> 01:20:02,880
didn't fit

1978
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:05,600
so we got that we got that story from a

1979
01:20:09,910 --> 01:20:06,560
lawyer

1980
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:09,920
a a jag that's interesting

1981
01:20:13,030 --> 01:20:12,080
yeah that was from a judge advocate

1982
01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:13,040
lawyer

1983
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,719
who was going to the guard house to

1984
01:20:18,950 --> 01:20:16,480
visit another prisoner

1985
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:18,960
and he he looked into one of the cells

1986
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:19,520
and

1987
01:20:25,189 --> 01:20:22,800
no hair

1988
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:25,199
and fatigues that it was way too the

1989
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,960
fatigues were way too big for him

1990
01:20:30,310 --> 01:20:28,560
he'd never seen anything in his life

1991
01:20:32,629 --> 01:20:30,320
like that so we're guessing

1992
01:20:33,669 --> 01:20:32,639
i admit it's a speculation that that was

1993
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,679
the live one

1994
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:36,480
that was still being kept at the base

1995
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:37,440
but eventually

1996
01:20:41,750 --> 01:20:40,639
it wound up at right field like the like

1997
01:20:45,669 --> 01:20:41,760
the others

1998
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:45,679
because the following spring

1999
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:49,199
now it's now april of 1948

2000
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:52,320
it is seen by a

2001
01:20:58,709 --> 01:20:56,080
uh uh air force uh

2002
01:21:00,149 --> 01:20:58,719
what do they call it uh war war class

2003
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,159
they they're the

2004
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:03,600
the officers who the air force deemed

2005
01:21:07,990 --> 01:21:07,040
were going to lead the air force into

2006
01:21:11,510 --> 01:21:08,000
the future

2007
01:21:15,990 --> 01:21:11,520
the uh war collar air war college glass

2008
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:16,000
of 1948 uh out of maxwell air force base

2009
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:17,600
in louisiana

2010
01:21:23,990 --> 01:21:20,880
they were flown to right field

2011
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:24,000
in april of 1948

2012
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,320
to their you know they're in training

2013
01:21:31,510 --> 01:21:28,960
how to run bases blah blah blah

2014
01:21:32,070 --> 01:21:31,520
you know administrate and uh other

2015
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:32,080
things

2016
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:33,280
what do you think of this what do you

2017
01:21:38,229 --> 01:21:35,120
think of that so

2018
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,239
they're led into this hangar

2019
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:41,040
the classes led into this hangar one day

2020
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:43,199
and uh

2021
01:21:46,310 --> 01:21:44,880
so they're standing around you know you

2022
01:21:48,070 --> 01:21:46,320
know what what are we supposed to do

2023
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,080
here

2024
01:21:51,189 --> 01:21:50,800
and then they they wheel in a couple

2025
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:51,199
girl

2026
01:21:56,790 --> 01:21:54,560
a couple tables

2027
01:21:58,229 --> 01:21:56,800
display tables full of this wreckage and

2028
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,239
they said okay guys

2029
01:22:01,590 --> 01:22:00,000
have at it tell us what you think of

2030
01:22:04,070 --> 01:22:01,600
this wreckage here and so they

2031
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:04,080
they pick up this wreckage some of it is

2032
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:05,600
stiff as a board they can't

2033
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:09,280
it's all very thin like thin foil

2034
01:22:13,030 --> 01:22:12,239
other wreckage you can wad up and let it

2035
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:13,040
go

2036
01:22:16,790 --> 01:22:15,920
and it just floats there just floats

2037
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:16,800
there

2038
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:19,920
you know what the hell is this stuff

2039
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:22,159
and uh somebody said wait we've never

2040
01:22:24,550 --> 01:22:23,600
seen anything like this where did you

2041
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:24,560
get it

2042
01:22:30,790 --> 01:22:28,239
and the the uh facilitator says well

2043
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,800
we got it last summer from the a flying

2044
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,960
saucer crash in new mexico that's what

2045
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:34,400
he told them

2046
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:36,159
it's not gonna have to even hurt there

2047
01:22:39,030 --> 01:22:38,080
and you have multiple witnesses to this

2048
01:22:43,110 --> 01:22:39,040
event right

2049
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,120
yes yes and um

2050
01:22:47,350 --> 01:22:46,159
so they're led into another room you

2051
01:22:49,270 --> 01:22:47,360
know they're scratching you know

2052
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:49,280
because some of the some of the people

2053
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:50,960
hadn't heard

2054
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,760
they they were not all uh us airmen some

2055
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:55,840
were from other countries

2056
01:23:00,470 --> 01:22:58,800
like australia you know and so they're

2057
01:23:03,750 --> 01:23:00,480
laid into another room

2058
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,760
and they're it's four walls but

2059
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:05,840
when the one wall is this large

2060
01:23:10,390 --> 01:23:08,560
rectangular mirror it's a two-way mirror

2061
01:23:12,629 --> 01:23:10,400
because if you're in the adjacent room

2062
01:23:15,669 --> 01:23:12,639
you look at this you see a

2063
01:23:18,390 --> 01:23:15,679
you just see a i don't know a picture

2064
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:18,400
or something blank but on the one you

2065
01:23:21,590 --> 01:23:19,120
can see

2066
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:21,600
through you know like your magic decoder

2067
01:23:28,870 --> 01:23:24,560
ring you know that uh

2068
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:28,880
yeah so uh we get this story from a

2069
01:23:35,110 --> 01:23:32,800
lieutenant marine air air force

2070
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:35,120
a night fighter pilot in world war ii

2071
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:35,920
named

2072
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,360
uh my marion magruder

2073
01:23:43,030 --> 01:23:41,679
he's now lieutenant colonel the lowest

2074
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:43,040
rank by the way

2075
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:45,040
in this air war college class is

2076
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:46,239
lieutenant colonel

2077
01:23:51,030 --> 01:23:49,120
because all the way up to general yeah

2078
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:51,040
so there's some high-ranking officers

2079
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,000
there yes

2080
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:54,000
yeah it's not there they're not enlisted

2081
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:55,440
men no enlisted men

2082
01:24:00,830 --> 01:23:58,480
no lieutenants no majors no captains

2083
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:00,840
you had to be a lieutenant colonel or

2084
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:03,199
hire so

2085
01:24:08,310 --> 01:24:06,880
uh so mary and magruder is telling his

2086
01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:08,320
son

2087
01:24:15,910 --> 01:24:12,000
begin with and

2088
01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:15,920
so he's telling his sons about this trip

2089
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:16,480
because

2090
01:24:21,990 --> 01:24:19,679
they had just witnessed the uh

2091
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:22,000
moon landing and the moon landing sort

2092
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:23,120
of was like

2093
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:26,560
a catharsis to a lot of these people

2094
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:30,320
who had been keeping the secret secret

2095
01:24:33,430 --> 01:24:32,239
with the moon landing it it had an

2096
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:33,440
effect on a number of

2097
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:36,080
the worldies they started talking uh

2098
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:37,199
about this

2099
01:24:44,629 --> 01:24:40,880
and marion magruder was one of them so

2100
01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:44,639
uh he says well i we went into this room

2101
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:45,520
and there was this

2102
01:24:49,750 --> 01:24:48,400
there was this uh see-through mirror so

2103
01:24:51,030 --> 01:24:49,760
we all looked through it i looked

2104
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:51,040
through it

2105
01:24:59,350 --> 01:24:55,280
and here was this strange being

2106
01:25:01,750 --> 01:24:59,360
it had it very about 40 pounds

2107
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,760
it looks squiggly he said how would you

2108
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,679
describe it looks squiggly that's how he

2109
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:05,679
described it

2110
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,400
and it had a large head of frail body

2111
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:10,000
long arms

2112
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:14,000
long spindly legs uh

2113
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:17,920
uh well what was it doing day well it

2114
01:25:23,590 --> 01:25:21,760
uh was it was it wasn't doing it was it

2115
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:23,600
just standing or no it wasn't standing

2116
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,920
there

2117
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:26,400
it wasn't doing push-ups it wasn't

2118
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:27,040
sitting down

2119
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:30,239
it wasn't doing the macarena it was just

2120
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:31,120
standing

2121
01:25:42,550 --> 01:25:39,760
magruder said all of a sudden

2122
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:42,560
i had a feeling of great empathy came

2123
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:43,440
over me

2124
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,960
between me and this creature he says i

2125
01:25:50,790 --> 01:25:48,960
we weren't we weren't talking to one but

2126
01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:50,800
this great feeling of

2127
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,480
empathy came over me and i was seeing

2128
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:56,639
its human-like qualities

2129
01:26:02,149 --> 01:26:00,080
rather than its alien-like qualities

2130
01:26:04,229 --> 01:26:02,159
and that's all that's all he said about

2131
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:04,239
it he didn't say they talked or anything

2132
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,199
but he just felt its human qualities of

2133
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:09,120
this creature

2134
01:26:12,310 --> 01:26:11,840
and so they said well what happened to

2135
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:12,320
it

2136
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:24,800
in 47

2137
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,840
uh the son jack rodden his father had a

2138
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:29,840
top secret clearance he could take

2139
01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,040
pictures on the base

2140
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:36,320
of whatever and uh

2141
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,600
the son jack jr said uh he knew his

2142
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:41,760
father was out there at this time

2143
01:26:45,270 --> 01:26:43,199
he said what about the what about the

2144
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:45,280
aliens what about the what about the

2145
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:46,560
live one because he knew about the

2146
01:26:50,629 --> 01:26:47,360
library said

2147
01:26:53,270 --> 01:26:50,639
so jack senior says they killed it and

2148
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:53,280
so jack jr do you mean they they killed

2149
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:55,120
the story they killed the

2150
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,480
they killed the alien they killed what

2151
01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:01,360
and he just said they killed it well

2152
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,960
it's not that they lined it up if you

2153
01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:04,320
saw the movie there's a

2154
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,000
you know the saint valentine's day

2155
01:27:09,510 --> 01:27:07,760
massacre it's not like they got it

2156
01:27:11,110 --> 01:27:09,520
yeah they didn't yeah they didn't uh

2157
01:27:11,510 --> 01:27:11,120
they didn't get an electric chair or

2158
01:27:15,030 --> 01:27:11,520
something

2159
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:15,040
it wasn't that at all it was that

2160
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:18,320
uh like you said they wanted to learn it

2161
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:18,800
and

2162
01:27:25,990 --> 01:27:23,920
to learn as much as they could from it

2163
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:26,000
and certainly they were you know they

2164
01:27:29,590 --> 01:27:28,400
were no doubt they were talking mentally

2165
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:29,600
to what they were trying to learn as

2166
01:27:34,229 --> 01:27:30,880
much as they could

2167
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,239
they were doing various tests on it uh

2168
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:36,159
how does it cope with this or that or

2169
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:37,760
you know whatever

2170
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,360
and during one of the tests it it died

2171
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:43,760
and that's that's how it inside we don't

2172
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:44,719
know

2173
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:51,040
uh there's several stories that it

2174
01:27:56,790 --> 01:27:54,400
uh lived until 1952.

2175
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,800
there were stories that it liked uh i uh

2176
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,719
strawberry ice cream well that's it i

2177
01:28:03,030 --> 01:28:00,080
remember that from ufo

2178
01:28:04,470 --> 01:28:03,040
live yeah that old special that's

2179
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:04,480
impossible because

2180
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:07,600
it's its mouth just opened into an

2181
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:11,199
uh uh orifice uh a cavity

2182
01:28:15,510 --> 01:28:14,719
there was no there was no digestive

2183
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,520
system it

2184
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:17,600
the mouth just was like a little cavity

2185
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:18,639
that's all

2186
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:21,120
yeah i've heard it described that way

2187
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,400
you know one of the interesting things

2188
01:28:25,750 --> 01:28:24,159
if you've got a live alien i mean you

2189
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,760
got to figure out like what is it source

2190
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,040
of nutrition

2191
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:28,880
what does it need as far as atmospheric

2192
01:28:32,790 --> 01:28:30,880
conditions to for for its

2193
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,800
you know for its health and it could be

2194
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:34,159
it could be anything it could be all the

2195
01:28:37,030 --> 01:28:34,400
way

2196
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:37,040
apparently apparently it could survive

2197
01:28:41,430 --> 01:28:37,840
in

2198
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:41,440
our air because there's no

2199
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:45,440
testimony about a uh breathing device of

2200
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:46,960
any sort

2201
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:48,719
but we don't know how it got its

2202
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:51,840
nutrition we don't we do not know that

2203
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:54,320
but it did it's not from strawberry ice

2204
01:28:56,470 --> 01:28:55,520
cream

2205
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:56,480
yeah i thought that was kind of

2206
01:29:00,470 --> 01:28:58,719
ridiculous in that ufo live special i

2207
01:29:01,189 --> 01:29:00,480
remember that and thinking well that's a

2208
01:29:04,790 --> 01:29:01,199
weird

2209
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:04,800
sort of tidbit to add right so i guess

2210
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:06,719
there goes the the story of the live

2211
01:29:10,950 --> 01:29:08,639
alien which is to me that's

2212
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,960
i've heard all these different and read

2213
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:12,880
these different eyewitness testimonies

2214
01:29:15,590 --> 01:29:14,480
to this live alien it's pretty

2215
01:29:18,149 --> 01:29:15,600
interesting

2216
01:29:20,310 --> 01:29:18,159
but what do you think the so the the

2217
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,320
dead bodies go to wright patterson

2218
01:29:24,470 --> 01:29:22,080
do you have any insight into what

2219
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:24,480
happened to them were they autopsied

2220
01:29:27,750 --> 01:29:25,440
were they

2221
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,760
yes they were taken apart or what what

2222
01:29:32,870 --> 01:29:29,679
did they do with the dead body we have

2223
01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:32,880
multiple witnesses both civilian

2224
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:35,600
and military that of course it was auto

2225
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,400
the dead ones were autopsied

2226
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,159
apparently one or two of them were not

2227
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:42,639
in such great shape but

2228
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:44,639
there were four dead ones originally and

2229
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:45,840
plus the live one

2230
01:29:50,310 --> 01:29:48,560
and whenever that died but they were

2231
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:50,320
autopsy

2232
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:54,800
and uh originally they were kept in

2233
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:58,159
the what they called the ice house uh

2234
01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:00,320
you know it was right next to you've

2235
01:30:03,990 --> 01:30:02,000
heard about hangar 18

2236
01:30:05,990 --> 01:30:04,000
right yeah i was really building 18 but

2237
01:30:09,669 --> 01:30:06,000
yeah yeah well hangar 18

2238
01:30:11,189 --> 01:30:09,679
was really hangar 23 but because there

2239
01:30:15,110 --> 01:30:11,199
were like uh

2240
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:15,120
eight or nine buildings that they call

2241
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:15,760
it the hang

2242
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:19,600
they called it the uh the building 18

2243
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:22,639
complex there were like seven eight nine

2244
01:30:30,950 --> 01:30:26,880
buildings all called 18 a through 18

2245
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:30,960
g 18 to a 18 b 18 c

2246
01:30:38,709 --> 01:30:34,320
up to g but there was only one hanger

2247
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:38,719
in this complex and it was hangar 23.

2248
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:40,960
well everybody just referred to it

2249
01:30:43,910 --> 01:30:42,400
because it was right in the middle of

2250
01:30:47,510 --> 01:30:43,920
this complex

2251
01:30:50,310 --> 01:30:47,520
as hangar 18. and that's where

2252
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:50,320
during world war ii all of the back

2253
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:51,440
engineering

2254
01:30:57,110 --> 01:30:54,639
and testing aircraft testing took place

2255
01:30:58,070 --> 01:30:57,120
so it was our technology right so it was

2256
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:58,080
only natural

2257
01:31:01,750 --> 01:30:59,520
that that's where the wreckage would

2258
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,760
come to uh

2259
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:03,600
try it yeah there's there's nothing more

2260
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:05,600
foreign than alien technology

2261
01:31:09,510 --> 01:31:08,800
so yeah it does make sense for those

2262
01:31:12,070 --> 01:31:09,520
that don't know

2263
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:12,080
uh mr carrie and dunsman also wrote an

2264
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:13,920
amazing book one of my favorites ufo

2265
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,080
secrets inside ray patterson

2266
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:18,000
eyewitness accounts from the real area

2267
01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:19,120
51

2268
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:21,360
which you know uh there's so many

2269
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:23,040
stories about wright patterson having

2270
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,560
these tunnels underground

2271
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:26,960
and having these secret facilities to

2272
01:31:30,790 --> 01:31:28,960
study foreign technology and

2273
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,800
and that's where people say the aliens

2274
01:31:35,510 --> 01:31:33,120
are kept and that the wreckage went

2275
01:31:37,350 --> 01:31:35,520
and it was studied they attempted to

2276
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,360
back engineer some of it

2277
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:39,600
do you think what do you think of these

2278
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,639
various stories

2279
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:42,560
of people who claim to have roswell

2280
01:31:45,830 --> 01:31:43,679
debris

2281
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:45,840
because those stories never seem to pan

2282
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:47,760
out under scientific scrutiny

2283
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:49,920
once the stuff is tested it's like well

2284
01:31:53,750 --> 01:31:51,120
it's it's uh

2285
01:31:54,229 --> 01:31:53,760
it's aluminum you know it's nothing it's

2286
01:31:57,270 --> 01:31:54,239
nothing

2287
01:32:00,310 --> 01:31:57,280
out of this world well so far

2288
01:32:03,189 --> 01:32:00,320
as far as i know there's never been any

2289
01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:03,199
uh pieces of wreckage that have come

2290
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:04,719
forward that have passed

2291
01:32:13,590 --> 01:32:08,320
muster uh some years ago

2292
01:32:16,070 --> 01:32:13,600
the ufo museum in roswell

2293
01:32:18,149 --> 01:32:16,080
dedicated to the roswell incident

2294
01:32:20,590 --> 01:32:18,159
offered a million dollars

2295
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,600
to anyone who could produce an

2296
01:32:25,510 --> 01:32:22,400
incontrovertible piece of

2297
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:25,520
physical wreckage from rot from the

2298
01:32:29,110 --> 01:32:26,080
roswell

2299
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:29,120
crash and uh some tried but the

2300
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:31,360
one turned out to be a piece of japanese

2301
01:32:39,830 --> 01:32:37,669
another turned out to be a a little

2302
01:32:41,590 --> 01:32:39,840
medallion that was actually sold in the

2303
01:32:44,390 --> 01:32:41,600
gift shop

2304
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,400
of the museum oh boy well you can't

2305
01:32:48,070 --> 01:32:46,080
blame them for trying that's a million

2306
01:32:49,030 --> 01:32:48,080
reasons to come up with some alien

2307
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:49,040
wreckage right

2308
01:32:53,990 --> 01:32:51,600
but because some of these things are

2309
01:32:55,430 --> 01:32:54,000
resurfacing again we've had arts parts

2310
01:32:56,709 --> 01:32:55,440
and

2311
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:56,719
i'm not even going to mention her but

2312
01:32:59,510 --> 01:32:58,400
there's a researcher that pushed those

2313
01:33:02,390 --> 01:32:59,520
for years

2314
01:33:03,590 --> 01:33:02,400
and then scientists that she hired to do

2315
01:33:05,270 --> 01:33:03,600
the analysis said no

2316
01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:05,280
it's normal earthly metals she didn't

2317
01:33:08,390 --> 01:33:07,199
like that so she hired new guys that

2318
01:33:09,910 --> 01:33:08,400
would say that there was

2319
01:33:11,750 --> 01:33:09,920
something weird about the medals and

2320
01:33:14,070 --> 01:33:11,760
then she sells them to ttsa

2321
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:14,080
and now they're pushing them as possibly

2322
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:16,320
alien materials but we never get to the

2323
01:33:18,470 --> 01:33:17,760
proof of these people making these

2324
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:18,480
claims

2325
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:21,760
and that's disappointing yes oh it is it

2326
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:22,159
is

2327
01:33:27,830 --> 01:33:25,520
thing about the case

2328
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:27,840
because there were so many little pieces

2329
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:29,040
of wreckage

2330
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:32,159
and the ranchers always uh whatever

2331
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:34,560
crashes out in the desert the ranchers

2332
01:33:38,310 --> 01:33:36,719
and their children all always get to it

2333
01:33:40,550 --> 01:33:38,320
first to pick up

2334
01:33:42,229 --> 01:33:40,560
first you know to see if anybody's hurt

2335
01:33:42,790 --> 01:33:42,239
but then to pick up little pieces of the

2336
01:33:44,550 --> 01:33:42,800
wreckage

2337
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:44,560
and we suspect that that's what happened

2338
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:46,480
here because the ranchers and their

2339
01:33:50,790 --> 01:33:47,520
children

2340
01:33:51,590 --> 01:33:50,800
got to the site first and uh we've heard

2341
01:33:53,590 --> 01:33:51,600
about

2342
01:33:55,910 --> 01:33:53,600
so and so having a piece in fact some

2343
01:33:59,030 --> 01:33:55,920
people admitted to having a piece

2344
01:34:02,310 --> 01:33:59,040
uh but over the years it it became

2345
01:34:04,629 --> 01:34:02,320
lost somewhere yeah so this

2346
01:34:05,750 --> 01:34:04,639
this is the tantalizing part like you

2347
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:05,760
could have had the proof

2348
01:34:10,070 --> 01:34:07,920
and you lost it in your attic or

2349
01:34:11,030 --> 01:34:10,080
something right or your garage and you

2350
01:34:13,669 --> 01:34:11,040
can't find it

2351
01:34:15,510 --> 01:34:13,679
or you moved and threw it out you know

2352
01:34:17,350 --> 01:34:15,520
that's the tantalizing part to me

2353
01:34:18,790 --> 01:34:17,360
yes i don't want to keep you too much

2354
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:18,800
longer but if you don't mind i'm sure

2355
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:20,000
that we have some uh

2356
01:34:25,030 --> 01:34:23,040
questions in our live chat uh if you

2357
01:34:27,030 --> 01:34:25,040
don't mind somebody asked uh or

2358
01:34:28,310 --> 01:34:27,040
do you believe that any of the uh it was

2359
01:34:31,110 --> 01:34:28,320
courtney shane asked

2360
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:31,120
do you believe that any of the pictures

2361
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:31,360
of

2362
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:33,600
aliens floating around on the internet

2363
01:34:36,390 --> 01:34:34,480
are genuine

2364
01:34:37,510 --> 01:34:36,400
or related to the roswell event or are

2365
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:37,520
they all yeah

2366
01:34:41,030 --> 01:34:40,480
are they all phony do you believe any of

2367
01:34:44,790 --> 01:34:41,040
them are there

2368
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:44,800
mccoy yeah that's a good question uh

2369
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:48,000
i don't believe uh i've never seen a

2370
01:34:54,310 --> 01:34:52,239
a picture of a roswell alien that i

2371
01:34:58,070 --> 01:34:54,320
consider that was genuine

2372
01:35:02,470 --> 01:34:58,080
so i i would say right now

2373
01:35:05,189 --> 01:35:02,480
there are none uh that are out there

2374
01:35:07,030 --> 01:35:05,199
that are genuine yeah and people are

2375
01:35:08,470 --> 01:35:07,040
always sending me pictures and swearing

2376
01:35:10,229 --> 01:35:08,480
like no this one's real

2377
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,239
and then if you do a search a google

2378
01:35:13,830 --> 01:35:12,000
limit search you find out like

2379
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:13,840
somebody just sent me one on twitter or

2380
01:35:16,550 --> 01:35:15,360
replied on twitter and then it turned

2381
01:35:18,870 --> 01:35:16,560
out to be from

2382
01:35:20,229 --> 01:35:18,880
from a movie and somebody cropped out

2383
01:35:22,229 --> 01:35:20,239
you know what i mean like they just

2384
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:22,239
cropped the alien and put it in and then

2385
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,520
we've got people

2386
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:25,360
claiming oh here's a picture of a gray

2387
01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:26,880
alien taking on the moon

2388
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,360
and that one turned out i busted them it

2389
01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:31,760
turned out to be from a 2005 video game

2390
01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:32,560
cover

2391
01:35:36,790 --> 01:35:34,960
of a video game area 51 where you run

2392
01:35:38,709 --> 01:35:36,800
around shooting aliens and the alien was

2393
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:38,719
on the cover of the video game

2394
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:40,480
and people put that behind a pay wall

2395
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:42,239
and we're charging people three dollars

2396
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,960
to see the picture that they never they

2397
01:35:50,709 --> 01:35:46,800
never seem to pan out right

2398
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:50,719
i've never seen a uh verifiable piece of

2399
01:35:55,109 --> 01:35:51,440
wreckage

2400
01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:55,119
or a verifiable genuine

2401
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:57,600
photograph although we are looking for

2402
01:36:00,149 --> 01:35:58,480
both

2403
01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:00,159
and uh here's the thing about the

2404
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:03,600
wreckage uh stephen is that

2405
01:36:08,950 --> 01:36:06,639
the wreckage some of them have been put

2406
01:36:10,790 --> 01:36:08,960
forth by other investigators

2407
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,800
and they say oh here's a piece we're

2408
01:36:14,629 --> 01:36:12,800
going to send it out for analysis well

2409
01:36:17,750 --> 01:36:14,639
that's the last you hear about it

2410
01:36:20,950 --> 01:36:17,760
you never hear what the analysis was and

2411
01:36:22,950 --> 01:36:20,960
uh so that's one of the problems we're

2412
01:36:24,229 --> 01:36:22,960
looking for actually a piece of the

2413
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,239
memory metal

2414
01:36:27,910 --> 01:36:26,560
that's what we're looking for because

2415
01:36:31,910 --> 01:36:27,920
you don't have to send that

2416
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:31,920
out yeah if it's if it if it reacts like

2417
01:36:34,629 --> 01:36:33,360
people have described

2418
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:34,639
you're going to know right away that

2419
01:36:39,750 --> 01:36:36,800
that's something out of this world yes

2420
01:36:40,950 --> 01:36:39,760
so that that's our holy grail we call it

2421
01:36:43,590 --> 01:36:40,960
our holy grail

2422
01:36:44,310 --> 01:36:43,600
of roswell is the piece of the memory

2423
01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,320
metal

2424
01:36:47,750 --> 01:36:46,880
and we know there are some pieces out

2425
01:36:49,830 --> 01:36:47,760
there

2426
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:49,840
but so far the people have not come

2427
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:51,040
forth with them

2428
01:36:56,709 --> 01:36:54,080
uh it's just it's a shame

2429
01:36:57,750 --> 01:36:56,719
so there's another fella here's another

2430
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:57,760
one

2431
01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:00,960
and this phil has been on several

2432
01:37:06,629 --> 01:37:04,159
uh cable shows

2433
01:37:07,350 --> 01:37:06,639
uh he goes out to the debris field site

2434
01:37:09,910 --> 01:37:07,360
with a

2435
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:09,920
geiger counter and he's been finding

2436
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,320
these little pieces

2437
01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:15,360
and they're aluminum you know

2438
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:18,880
they're aluminum and uh so he's had them

2439
01:37:22,149 --> 01:37:20,320
tested

2440
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:22,159
on several shows and they always come

2441
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:25,679
back 99.99997

2442
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:29,440
aluminum and uh well it's still

2443
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:33,119
it's just it i don't know

2444
01:37:36,790 --> 01:37:35,199
that's what you get so far that's what

2445
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:36,800
you get so far

2446
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:39,920
uh we do know that

2447
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:42,639
the most of the pieces were were palm

2448
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:43,840
sized they were

2449
01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,960
they were palm sized there were some

2450
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:48,000
larger pieces but

2451
01:37:53,669 --> 01:37:51,440
the overwhelming majority of the debris

2452
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:53,679
because this explosion just shattered

2453
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:54,800
the ship

2454
01:37:59,590 --> 01:37:57,920
except for that inner cabin and uh the

2455
01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:59,600
other thing about it is even there was

2456
01:38:03,510 --> 01:38:00,080
no

2457
01:38:05,510 --> 01:38:03,520
moving part on it we got that from a

2458
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:05,520
witness a military witness

2459
01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:08,000
who was in the hangar who saw all the

2460
01:38:13,350 --> 01:38:08,960
wreckage

2461
01:38:16,470 --> 01:38:13,360
there was no moving part on it

2462
01:38:18,390 --> 01:38:16,480
so yeah that's again that's pretty i've

2463
01:38:20,709 --> 01:38:18,400
heard that various descriptions too that

2464
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:20,719
there was no rivets there was nothing

2465
01:38:25,030 --> 01:38:23,440
that you could no power source engine

2466
01:38:26,390 --> 01:38:25,040
anything that you could identify as

2467
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:26,400
earthly technology

2468
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:29,520
or methodology for building aircraft so

2469
01:38:33,830 --> 01:38:30,000
how did

2470
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,840
it get from there to here to here

2471
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:35,760
how did how did it how did they do it

2472
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:37,119
without a moving part

2473
01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:40,400
and that's uh we've had some testimony

2474
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:42,560
recently

2475
01:38:46,470 --> 01:38:45,360
about because uh you know our mandate

2476
01:38:49,910 --> 01:38:46,480
was to

2477
01:38:51,390 --> 01:38:49,920
is to uh decide the case whether

2478
01:38:53,189 --> 01:38:51,400
was it mundane or was it

2479
01:38:57,030 --> 01:38:53,199
extraterrestrial you know that

2480
01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:57,040
that's been our mandate and uh we don't

2481
01:39:00,709 --> 01:38:58,159
do a lot of whole

2482
01:39:03,270 --> 01:39:00,719
a whole lot of thinking about um where

2483
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:03,280
did they come from why are they here

2484
01:39:06,709 --> 01:39:05,040
you know that that's for other people to

2485
01:39:08,709 --> 01:39:06,719
figure out you know

2486
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:08,719
so but uh well yeah that would get into

2487
01:39:11,870 --> 01:39:10,239
just pure speculation

2488
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,880
i often thought that it was

2489
01:39:16,070 --> 01:39:13,360
anthropological

2490
01:39:17,109 --> 01:39:16,080
you know like if we if we find some

2491
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:17,119
primitive

2492
01:39:24,149 --> 01:39:21,840
that's been untouched by monology we're

2493
01:39:27,189 --> 01:39:24,159
going to go and study them

2494
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:27,199
because it may tell us but uh

2495
01:39:30,470 --> 01:39:29,600
the the thing is i have been i was

2496
01:39:33,430 --> 01:39:30,480
leading up to

2497
01:39:34,070 --> 01:39:33,440
that uh i have been their own knowledge

2498
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:34,080
of

2499
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:37,360
you know business i have been doing some

2500
01:39:41,350 --> 01:39:38,960
thinking about this you know

2501
01:39:42,870 --> 01:39:41,360
how do they get from there to here if

2502
01:39:46,229 --> 01:39:42,880
there's no moving part

2503
01:39:47,189 --> 01:39:46,239
and obviously it's not from our own

2504
01:39:48,709 --> 01:39:47,199
solar system

2505
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,719
they're not they're not from our rolling

2506
01:39:52,310 --> 01:39:50,960
solar system so they're from another

2507
01:39:54,870 --> 01:39:52,320
solar system

2508
01:39:55,910 --> 01:39:54,880
most likely in the milky way galaxy

2509
01:39:59,109 --> 01:39:55,920
right

2510
01:40:01,510 --> 01:39:59,119
uh even though there's a hundred million

2511
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,520
galaxies in the universe they're most

2512
01:40:06,950 --> 01:40:03,600
likely from the uh

2513
01:40:10,390 --> 01:40:06,960
the milky way but even there the

2514
01:40:14,310 --> 01:40:10,400
distances are so astronomically

2515
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:14,320
long that you can't get from there to

2516
01:40:17,990 --> 01:40:14,880
here

2517
01:40:21,109 --> 01:40:18,000
using uh

2518
01:40:23,750 --> 01:40:21,119
motors or or things that we

2519
01:40:24,550 --> 01:40:23,760
we currently have so how did they do it

2520
01:40:31,830 --> 01:40:24,560
so

2521
01:40:34,149 --> 01:40:31,840
bent space spin space to where it's only

2522
01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:34,159
a short leap

2523
01:40:38,950 --> 01:40:36,800
because the long distances in the

2524
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:38,960
universe there you just can't do it

2525
01:40:43,830 --> 01:40:42,320
so they must have somehow solved the

2526
01:40:47,750 --> 01:40:43,840
space

2527
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:47,760
time continuum right

2528
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:51,600
so uh we have in researching our last

2529
01:40:59,590 --> 01:40:56,390
and called what is that called it's

2530
01:41:03,270 --> 01:40:59,600
called roswell the ultimate

2531
01:41:06,790 --> 01:41:03,280
cold case closed and uh

2532
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:06,800
we are we're we are we're every time i

2533
01:41:09,189 --> 01:41:08,320
think it's closed we're working on

2534
01:41:11,109 --> 01:41:09,199
another book

2535
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:11,119
actually we're working on two more

2536
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:12,880
there's one going to come out this year

2537
01:41:19,669 --> 01:41:16,480
and one going to come out next year

2538
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,679
but uh thinking about

2539
01:41:22,870 --> 01:41:21,600
how they were able to get here from

2540
01:41:26,550 --> 01:41:22,880
there

2541
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:26,560
we had the testimony of

2542
01:41:33,030 --> 01:41:30,400
uh one uh

2543
01:41:35,910 --> 01:41:33,040
scientist he was a naval scientist a

2544
01:41:38,470 --> 01:41:35,920
commander named george hoover

2545
01:41:40,070 --> 01:41:38,480
who worked with werner von braun in the

2546
01:41:42,950 --> 01:41:40,080
rocket program

2547
01:41:43,750 --> 01:41:42,960
and they were also part of the uh

2548
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:43,760
roswell

2549
01:41:52,550 --> 01:41:48,560
picture

2550
01:41:59,510 --> 01:41:56,950
when he was interviewed he said roswell

2551
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:59,520
was a case of visitors from somewhere

2552
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:01,440
else

2553
01:42:04,470 --> 01:42:03,040
now what did he mean by that he said

2554
01:42:09,109 --> 01:42:04,480
well

2555
01:42:12,709 --> 01:42:09,119
they're not so much uh extraterrestrial

2556
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:12,719
as they were extra temporal

2557
01:42:18,390 --> 01:42:15,840
i.e time travelers time travel yeah i've

2558
01:42:22,070 --> 01:42:18,400
heard that theory or interdimensional

2559
01:42:25,189 --> 01:42:22,080
and he said they were potentially

2560
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:25,199
us from a future

2561
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:28,719
earth now coming from uncle harry over a

2562
01:42:31,590 --> 01:42:30,080
couple drinks

2563
01:42:33,510 --> 01:42:31,600
i'm just going to take that it's going

2564
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:33,520
to go in one ear and out the other

2565
01:42:38,550 --> 01:42:36,719
you know but coming from a fella who

2566
01:42:39,669 --> 01:42:38,560
worked with werner von braun and all the

2567
01:42:45,030 --> 01:42:39,679
other scientists

2568
01:42:52,390 --> 01:42:49,270
and the uh roger case itself to say that

2569
01:42:55,270 --> 01:42:52,400
you have to give that some consideration

2570
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,280
yeah it's pretty credible here's a great

2571
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,880
question from the audience uh

2572
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,560
philip blair asks what do you think of

2573
01:43:02,470 --> 01:43:00,560
dr jacqueline's work

2574
01:43:04,629 --> 01:43:02,480
uh to have materials from other crash

2575
01:43:06,149 --> 01:43:04,639
sites tested at private laboratories in

2576
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:06,159
silicon valley

2577
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:07,520
have you followed that and what do you

2578
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:10,000
think of mr ballet i

2579
01:43:17,590 --> 01:43:13,600
have not followed that but i'm saying

2580
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:17,600
make sure you get it back because

2581
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:20,639
yeah it hasn't had things have a habit

2582
01:43:23,830 --> 01:43:21,280
if it

2583
01:43:24,709 --> 01:43:23,840
turns out to be something you never see

2584
01:43:27,990 --> 01:43:24,719
them again

2585
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:28,000
so i think it's a good idea uh the name

2586
01:43:31,590 --> 01:43:28,880
jacques valet

2587
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:31,600
is known worldwide i've never met him

2588
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,000
but

2589
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,239
uh he has some interesting theories if

2590
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:36,800
he has if he has some

2591
01:43:42,550 --> 01:43:40,080
material that he once tested go for it

2592
01:43:45,430 --> 01:43:42,560
and uh but make sure you get it back and

2593
01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:45,440
let let's hear what the results are

2594
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,840
yeah yeah well he's got again he's got

2595
01:43:50,790 --> 01:43:49,119
some tantalizing

2596
01:43:53,109 --> 01:43:50,800
sort of results about they're always

2597
01:43:55,510 --> 01:43:53,119
talking about isotopic ratios which

2598
01:43:57,270 --> 01:43:55,520
means that metal couldn't have come from

2599
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:57,280
our solar system but then

2600
01:44:01,430 --> 01:44:00,000
to me a lot of that stuff could be metal

2601
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:01,440
parts and meteor rights

2602
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,800
right you know because they're just

2603
01:44:06,310 --> 01:44:04,480
showing you this metal blob

2604
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:06,320
that doesn't you know we gotta have a

2605
01:44:10,709 --> 01:44:07,840
memory metal

2606
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,719
because you don't need it you don't need

2607
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,239
to send that away

2608
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:14,400
to get tested you can you can put it

2609
01:44:19,109 --> 01:44:16,080
through its paces

2610
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:19,119
we don't have anything like that uh

2611
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:21,440
we've got something they tried to to

2612
01:44:24,629 --> 01:44:22,159
create

2613
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:24,639
uh like it but it's it's nowhere near as

2614
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,480
good as the original

2615
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:28,719
okay paul cargo is are there actual

2616
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:30,400
video recordings of any lieutenant

2617
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:31,119
colonels

2618
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,600
uh stating they saw live aliens and uap

2619
01:44:37,189 --> 01:44:35,360
wreckage while in training

2620
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:37,199
well they're quoted in your books though

2621
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:38,560
right i don't know that there's video

2622
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,760
recording yeah no

2623
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:42,320
recordings no we're not aware of any

2624
01:44:46,950 --> 01:44:42,800
live

2625
01:44:49,510 --> 01:44:46,960
recordings of uh whether they recorded

2626
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:49,520
their observations i don't know but the

2627
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,639
the

2628
01:44:55,750 --> 01:44:52,800
live recordings were never mentioned so

2629
01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,760
we have to assume that there weren't any

2630
01:44:59,270 --> 01:44:58,080
certainly not any that we could have

2631
01:45:00,709 --> 01:44:59,280
access to

2632
01:45:02,709 --> 01:45:00,719
you know i want to make sure that i take

2633
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:02,719
a moment just to plug your books

2634
01:45:05,750 --> 01:45:04,719
if you just put tom carrey's name into

2635
01:45:08,229 --> 01:45:05,760
amazon

2636
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:08,239
you'll get treated to a whole bunch of

2637
01:45:11,109 --> 01:45:10,000
amazing books and i gotta say that

2638
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:11,119
everyone

2639
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:12,880
the first one that i read was witness to

2640
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:14,880
roswell and then i instantly went and

2641
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:16,080
ordered more

2642
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:17,920
because every one of them seems to me to

2643
01:45:22,149 --> 01:45:19,440
be well researched and

2644
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:22,159
you know uh i gotta say that i disagree

2645
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:23,760
with cal court's assertion that all

2646
01:45:26,070 --> 01:45:25,520
these people that you and schmidt talked

2647
01:45:28,870 --> 01:45:26,080
to

2648
01:45:31,030 --> 01:45:28,880
for 30 years for decades all just made

2649
01:45:32,950 --> 01:45:31,040
this stuff up it doesn't seem

2650
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,960
you know it just doesn't seem likely to

2651
01:45:36,390 --> 01:45:34,880
me especially the military people my

2652
01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:36,400
father was in the military and he was

2653
01:45:40,310 --> 01:45:38,800
just like a no-nonsense kind of guy

2654
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:40,320
all his military friends they just

2655
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:42,320
weren't bullshitters that's the

2656
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,119
plainest way to put it so we've had

2657
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:47,040
these very high ranking military

2658
01:45:50,149 --> 01:45:48,159
officials

2659
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,159
basically admit that there was an alien

2660
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:52,560
crash landing and there was bodies and

2661
01:45:56,830 --> 01:45:53,280
more

2662
01:46:00,390 --> 01:45:56,840
so i'm back to the side of the alien

2663
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:00,400
hypothesis we have too many witnesses

2664
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:03,760
you have to you have to um

2665
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:05,280
you know to think that way you have to

2666
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,760
think that back in 1947 they all got

2667
01:46:12,550 --> 01:46:09,840
together and said okay look

2668
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,560
uh decades from now people are going to

2669
01:46:15,990 --> 01:46:13,679
come uh

2670
01:46:16,709 --> 01:46:16,000
come calling and uh let's get our

2671
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,719
stories

2672
01:46:20,790 --> 01:46:18,960
uh let's really cook up some storage

2673
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:20,800
yeah you know

2674
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:23,360
that's ridiculous that's right i agree

2675
01:46:26,709 --> 01:46:25,360
with you and mortimer james asks we

2676
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:26,719
touch on this briefly but what do you

2677
01:46:30,310 --> 01:46:28,239
think of the pieces they were called

2678
01:46:31,270 --> 01:46:30,320
arts parts that art bell got and linda

2679
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:31,280
molten hale

2680
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:34,480
was pushing as alien pieces of

2681
01:46:40,149 --> 01:46:37,119
that's that's the uh that's one of the

2682
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:40,159
things i'm talking about the arts parts

2683
01:46:45,189 --> 01:46:42,639
i saw them i mean i didn't handle them i

2684
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:45,199
saw pictures of it and i'm thinking

2685
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:47,040
what the hell is this that that doesn't

2686
01:46:49,510 --> 01:46:48,639
look like anything to me it could be

2687
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:49,520
anything yeah

2688
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:53,760
yeah and uh so i assume they when

2689
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,880
they got them tested but i have no idea

2690
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:58,560
what the results of the tests are and

2691
01:47:01,910 --> 01:47:00,159
this is what i'm talking about

2692
01:47:03,270 --> 01:47:01,920
what yeah it's kind of like a back and

2693
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,280
forth though because

2694
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,360
the first person that tested them said

2695
01:47:09,030 --> 01:47:07,520
these are ordinary earthly metals here's

2696
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:09,040
here's the lab reports and

2697
01:47:12,550 --> 01:47:10,960
linda mulhell didn't like that report so

2698
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,560
she hired new guys

2699
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:14,159
that would go out on a limb and say that

2700
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,400
they were more than earthly materials

2701
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,880
and then she sells them to ttsa who is

2702
01:47:22,070 --> 01:47:20,639
now claiming that they have alien

2703
01:47:25,270 --> 01:47:22,080
wreckage or may have alien

2704
01:47:26,709 --> 01:47:25,280
wreckage but we never get the lab result

2705
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:26,719
it's very easy to put them in a

2706
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:28,719
spectrometer like that's

2707
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,480
it's very easy put a piece in the

2708
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,480
spectrometer it'll tell you what

2709
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:34,480
the elemental makeup of the material is

2710
01:47:37,030 --> 01:47:36,400
what the isotopic ratios are if it's

2711
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:37,040
aluminum

2712
01:47:40,870 --> 01:47:39,119
titanium whatever it is the spectrometer

2713
01:47:43,830 --> 01:47:40,880
will tell you it doesn't take

2714
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:43,840
20 years to test the material right and

2715
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:45,520
we have all this talk about meta

2716
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:47,360
materials metamaterials are not

2717
01:47:54,310 --> 01:47:50,719
alien they're just as a very specialized

2718
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:54,320
newer form of of new kind of material

2719
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,239
right so i have a real problem with

2720
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:57,840
people that go and

2721
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:00,320
and make try to make money or

2722
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,480
documentaries or television shows

2723
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:04,560
claiming they have this alien material

2724
01:48:08,790 --> 01:48:07,280
but we never get the lab results never

2725
01:48:10,709 --> 01:48:08,800
you never get them

2726
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:10,719
well yeah so i wanted to say to make

2727
01:48:14,149 --> 01:48:11,920
sure that i say

2728
01:48:15,750 --> 01:48:14,159
you can you can search tom carrey on

2729
01:48:17,750 --> 01:48:15,760
amazon and all of your books and you

2730
01:48:20,470 --> 01:48:17,760
said you're working on a new book right

2731
01:48:22,229 --> 01:48:20,480
yes it's called touched by roswell it's

2732
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:22,239
about famous people

2733
01:48:26,390 --> 01:48:24,480
the rich and famous you know actors

2734
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:26,400
actors and actresses and

2735
01:48:31,270 --> 01:48:29,840
rich famous people that somewhere in

2736
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:31,280
their lives

2737
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,080
their life in roswell crossed do you

2738
01:48:37,669 --> 01:48:35,920
have the story of jackie gleason did you

2739
01:48:39,750 --> 01:48:37,679
know that story yeah that's one of them

2740
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:39,760
oh wow that's one of my favorite stories

2741
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:41,199
because i i

2742
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:43,840
not only have i heard that in in you

2743
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:45,040
know media

2744
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:48,639
but i i heard that from somebody that

2745
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:51,440
sort of worked with or for him who told

2746
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,760
me

2747
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,920
that jackie gleason to his death was

2748
01:48:58,470 --> 01:48:55,199
convinced that

2749
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,480
he saw an alien body yes yeah

2750
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,800
that's a great richard with richard

2751
01:49:06,229 --> 01:49:02,639
nixon yes

2752
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:06,239
yeah it's like you know there's a

2753
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:10,480
it's famous people who who in some way

2754
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:13,599
their lives crossed with the roswell

2755
01:49:18,709 --> 01:49:16,960
incident and uh

2756
01:49:21,669 --> 01:49:18,719
we're working on it right now it should

2757
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:21,679
be out uh mid-year this year

2758
01:49:24,870 --> 01:49:23,440
well good for you and i one more

2759
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,880
question uh and

2760
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:26,239
we'll try to wrap it up here i'm not

2761
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:28,800
sure how to ask this so i'll just say

2762
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:30,639
has tom carrey ever had a conversation

2763
01:49:34,310 --> 01:49:32,639
with former senate majority leader harry

2764
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:34,320
reid

2765
01:49:45,669 --> 01:49:41,440
about ufos uh

2766
01:49:48,709 --> 01:49:45,679
he has uh worked uh i guess he got uh

2767
01:49:51,750 --> 01:49:48,719
uh bigelow uh

2768
01:49:55,109 --> 01:49:51,760
aerospace involved and

2769
01:49:56,070 --> 01:49:55,119
uh thanks to harry reid they're the i

2770
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,080
believe the

2771
01:50:00,870 --> 01:49:59,119
u.s defense department as we speak is

2772
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:00,880
supposed to have a report

2773
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:05,040
yeah within the next uh 120 days it was

2774
01:50:09,430 --> 01:50:07,280
we're down to about 120 days i can't

2775
01:50:13,270 --> 01:50:09,440
wait to read that yes yes

2776
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:13,280
and uh here's the thing about that

2777
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:16,560
is uh how do you know there what they

2778
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:17,599
tell you

2779
01:50:22,310 --> 01:50:19,920
is what is going to be the truth yeah

2780
01:50:24,350 --> 01:50:22,320
because we have this roswell case closed

2781
01:50:27,510 --> 01:50:24,360
uh report that is just filled with

2782
01:50:30,070 --> 01:50:27,520
inaccuracies and garbage information

2783
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:30,080
yeah ridiculous explanations like all

2784
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,440
those bodies were

2785
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:33,360
anthropomorphic dummies that were

2786
01:50:36,229 --> 01:50:35,119
dropped ten years after the roswell

2787
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,239
event people just

2788
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:39,119
you know you know time dilation or

2789
01:50:43,109 --> 01:50:40,320
something they forgot

2790
01:50:44,470 --> 01:50:43,119
when they saw those things yeah it just

2791
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,480
i don't trust anything

2792
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:47,199
i have two rules now it used to be that

2793
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:47,520
my

2794
01:50:55,270 --> 01:50:53,280
due diligence and research

2795
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,280
and now i've added to that i don't trust

2796
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,440
anything the mainstream media tells me

2797
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:59,360
without doing my own due diligence and

2798
01:51:03,350 --> 01:51:01,280
research into those things

2799
01:51:04,790 --> 01:51:03,360
so after listen i'm going to ask you

2800
01:51:06,629 --> 01:51:04,800
this because this is important and then

2801
01:51:07,990 --> 01:51:06,639
i'm gonna solo you for this because i

2802
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,000
want you to give

2803
01:51:11,669 --> 01:51:10,159
i want you to spend just a few minutes

2804
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:11,679
and you've been

2805
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:14,000
studying this thing longer than most

2806
01:51:16,070 --> 01:51:15,360
people almost longer than i've been

2807
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:16,080
alive

2808
01:51:21,910 --> 01:51:19,119
right so uh i want to know

2809
01:51:23,350 --> 01:51:21,920
really what what is your bottom line

2810
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:23,360
what is your

2811
01:51:30,470 --> 01:51:28,080
these witnesses

2812
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:30,480
what actually happened at roswell you've

2813
01:51:32,790 --> 01:51:32,080
studied this thing longer than most

2814
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,800
people

2815
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:35,040
i want to hear you give us your best

2816
01:51:40,629 --> 01:51:35,920
case

2817
01:51:44,229 --> 01:51:40,639
what really crashed at roswell well

2818
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:44,239
uh it's of course it's uh

2819
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,239
based on witness testimony

2820
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,560
observing the witnesses and weighing

2821
01:51:56,870 --> 01:51:52,960
what they say

2822
01:51:59,990 --> 01:51:56,880
and uh there's no doubt

2823
01:52:04,229 --> 01:52:00,000
in my mind that uh

2824
01:52:09,910 --> 01:52:04,239
on the evening of july the second

2825
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:14,229
blew up during a thunder and lightning

2826
01:52:20,310 --> 01:52:15,440
storm

2827
01:52:23,430 --> 01:52:20,320
in central high new mexico

2828
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:23,440
scattering debris across the sheep

2829
01:52:27,589 --> 01:52:24,800
pasture

2830
01:52:28,709 --> 01:52:27,599
there were five occupants four of them

2831
01:52:32,229 --> 01:52:28,719
met their fate

2832
01:52:34,950 --> 01:52:32,239
one was still alive they were

2833
01:52:37,189 --> 01:52:34,960
recovered to first to the roswell army

2834
01:52:40,629 --> 01:52:37,199
airfield

2835
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:42,229
headline went out that they had

2836
01:52:48,470 --> 01:52:45,280
recovered a flying saucer

2837
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:48,480
at the the headline was changed within

2838
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:51,360
hours to that it was a weather balloon

2839
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:53,119
but it was in fact they were right the

2840
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,040
first time

2841
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:57,280
a flying saucer crashed we don't know

2842
01:53:02,310 --> 01:52:59,360
where it was from

2843
01:53:04,390 --> 01:53:02,320
we know we know how many occupants there

2844
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:04,400
were it was ultimately taken to re

2845
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:08,880
taken to right field in dayton ohio

2846
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:11,040
that's where it was analyzed that's

2847
01:53:14,390 --> 01:53:12,639
where the bodies went that's where the

2848
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:14,400
live one went

2849
01:53:20,470 --> 01:53:17,440
uh they did tests on the live one

2850
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:20,480
certainly they they did

2851
01:53:25,669 --> 01:53:22,480
autopsies of the dead ones they were

2852
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:25,679
kept there for years

2853
01:53:29,510 --> 01:53:28,639
and uh we believe based on testimony

2854
01:53:32,950 --> 01:53:29,520
that the stuff

2855
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:32,960
was moved in the early 1980s

2856
01:53:39,669 --> 01:53:36,239
to area 51 in utah

2857
01:53:41,350 --> 01:53:39,679
in nevada kept there for a number of

2858
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:41,360
years

2859
01:53:47,589 --> 01:53:44,719
and according to witness testimony

2860
01:53:49,510 --> 01:53:47,599
we believe the five roswell aliens are

2861
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:49,520
now

2862
01:53:55,910 --> 01:53:53,679
residing in dugway utah

2863
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,920
and the wreckage the physical wreckage

2864
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:56,880
now is in

2865
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,880
private hands by that i don't mean uncle

2866
01:54:05,430 --> 01:54:02,960
harry or aunt lucy

2867
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,440
i mean in private companies that do

2868
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,199
business with the federal government

2869
01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:09,520
that's where the wreckage is residing

2870
01:54:13,830 --> 01:54:10,560
today

2871
01:54:15,669 --> 01:54:13,840
they're still testing it and the reason

2872
01:54:17,990 --> 01:54:15,679
that it's in private hands is that

2873
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:18,000
they don't have to answer uh freedom of

2874
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:19,760
information requests

2875
01:54:24,950 --> 01:54:22,880
like you know if you're a government

2876
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:24,960
agency you're subject to foia requests

2877
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:25,520
well

2878
01:54:31,669 --> 01:54:28,639
private companies are not so

2879
01:54:35,350 --> 01:54:31,679
yes it was uh now in my mind

2880
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:35,360
i'm starting to lean towards uh

2881
01:54:41,990 --> 01:54:38,960
extra temporal or extra dimensional

2882
01:54:43,830 --> 01:54:42,000
as opposed to extra terrestrial

2883
01:54:45,270 --> 01:54:43,840
it's i'm straddling offense on that

2884
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:45,280
right now so

2885
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:48,080
because of the quality of the testimony

2886
01:54:52,870 --> 01:54:49,520
regarding the

2887
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:52,880
the uh potential time travelers

2888
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:55,840
and uh so that's where i'm at yes it was

2889
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:56,639
uh

2890
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:58,400
of unknown origin it was either

2891
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:01,280
extraterrestrial or extra temporal

2892
01:55:08,470 --> 01:55:05,520
it was covered up it's still covered up

2893
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:08,480
i don't know what's going to take place

2894
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:09,760
with this 180

2895
01:55:13,510 --> 01:55:12,400
this report that's due out now in 100 i

2896
01:55:16,229 --> 01:55:13,520
guess it's mid-june

2897
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:16,239
and june what that's going to say

2898
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:18,080
whether it's going to address

2899
01:55:24,550 --> 01:55:21,599
roswell at all because there were

2900
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:24,560
uh human rights violations perpetrated

2901
01:55:29,830 --> 01:55:26,000
upon civilians

2902
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:29,840
to cover that up uh that where that

2903
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:33,040
they certainly would not be happy to

2904
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:33,840
talk about

2905
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:36,639
but we know that death threats were

2906
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:38,080
issued

2907
01:55:42,870 --> 01:55:41,920
to cover it up and a lot of bad stuff

2908
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:42,880
went on

2909
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:46,239
but that's what i believe and whether it

2910
01:55:49,669 --> 01:55:47,280
will ever come out

2911
01:55:51,030 --> 01:55:49,679
i don't know but i can tell you this but

2912
01:55:52,709 --> 01:55:51,040
i can't give you the answer i know

2913
01:55:54,790 --> 01:55:52,719
i know where the wreckage is today i

2914
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:54,800
know where the bodies are

2915
01:55:58,830 --> 01:55:57,119
but uh we're not going to release that

2916
01:56:01,270 --> 01:55:58,840
information

2917
01:56:04,629 --> 01:56:01,280
until that uh

2918
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:04,639
book uh we're having we have a uh

2919
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:08,080
a uh issue a a

2920
01:56:15,510 --> 01:56:11,520
our book witness to roswell was our best

2921
01:56:19,510 --> 01:56:15,520
seller so in 20

2922
01:56:21,109 --> 01:56:19,520
let's see 2022 will be 75 years believe

2923
01:56:24,709 --> 01:56:21,119
it or not

2924
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:24,719
since the event

2925
01:56:29,910 --> 01:56:28,080
so in 2022 we're coming out with a 75th

2926
01:56:33,189 --> 01:56:29,920
anniversary issue

2927
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:33,199
of witness to roswell we're going to

2928
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:35,119
have new information in there

2929
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:36,480
and certainly we will have the

2930
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:38,719
information as to where we know that the

2931
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,000
wreckage is uh where it's at

2932
01:56:45,830 --> 01:56:44,400
where the bodies are and and what tests

2933
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:45,840
they're doing on the wreckage

2934
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:49,840
so that's that's what i believe

2935
01:56:54,550 --> 01:56:52,719
wow it's been such a pleasure to talk to

2936
01:56:56,310 --> 01:56:54,560
you having read so many of your books

2937
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:56,320
i want to thank you so much i'm sorry we

2938
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,840
went a little over time i think

2939
01:57:01,189 --> 01:56:59,360
uh you know i could talk to you for

2940
01:57:03,030 --> 01:57:01,199
another three hours

2941
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:03,040
but i'm gonna have to let you go i hope

2942
01:57:07,030 --> 01:57:04,480
that you'll come back

2943
01:57:08,390 --> 01:57:07,040
we uh we might have a few more people

2944
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:08,400
including mr schmidt

2945
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:10,000
uh i thought it'd be best just to

2946
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:11,520
interview you guys separately

2947
01:57:14,709 --> 01:57:13,119
because i know you're a team but i

2948
01:57:16,470 --> 01:57:14,719
thought you'd each have your own sort of

2949
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,480
perspective about things and

2950
01:57:20,550 --> 01:57:18,960
and i'd rather interview you separately

2951
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:20,560
so we're gonna have him and maybe a few

2952
01:57:24,229 --> 01:57:21,599
other people

2953
01:57:26,149 --> 01:57:24,239
i did want to ask you uh just briefly

2954
01:57:28,310 --> 01:57:26,159
before you go though mr bosley

2955
01:57:31,270 --> 01:57:28,320
walter bosley has a pretty interesting

2956
01:57:33,189 --> 01:57:31,280
idea respect but it's mostly speculation

2957
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:33,199
i've never heard that name before i

2958
01:57:37,189 --> 01:57:34,719
don't know who he is

2959
01:57:38,550 --> 01:57:37,199
okay well his his take on the roswell

2960
01:57:41,830 --> 01:57:38,560
event was that it wasn't

2961
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:41,840
alien and it wasn't that it was uh

2962
01:57:46,629 --> 01:57:45,360
sort of like a uh test flight rocket

2963
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:46,639
test flights

2964
01:57:56,149 --> 01:57:52,800
you think of that theory

2965
01:57:56,470 --> 01:57:56,159
are we almost done yeah we're done we're

2966
01:57:59,589 --> 01:57:56,480
done

2967
01:58:01,109 --> 01:57:59,599
okay all right i'm sorry that well what

2968
01:58:03,270 --> 01:58:01,119
what is that base storm what

2969
01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:03,280
i mean what is that based on i think

2970
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:05,280
just on project paperclip in some of the

2971
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:06,000
early tests

2972
01:58:12,470 --> 01:58:09,599
with the v2 oh no no no no i'm sorry

2973
01:58:14,790 --> 01:58:12,480
if the germans had ufos flying sources

2974
01:58:17,830 --> 01:58:14,800
we'd be speaking german now

2975
01:58:20,629 --> 01:58:17,840
and uh yeah yeah yeah

2976
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,639
i'm sorry that is so that is so

2977
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:22,320
ridiculous i'm sorry

2978
01:58:26,629 --> 01:58:24,480
okay well you're we're free to disagree

2979
01:58:27,990 --> 01:58:26,639
here i appreciate your perspective

2980
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:28,000
i'm going to let you go and then i'm

2981
01:58:30,950 --> 01:58:29,360
going to wrap up the show i want to

2982
01:58:32,070 --> 01:58:30,960
thank you so much it's been

2983
01:58:36,229 --> 01:58:32,080
it's really been an honor and a

2984
01:58:39,589 --> 01:58:37,750
my mom said the same thing don't say

2985
01:58:41,189 --> 01:58:39,599
anything at all exactly

2986
01:58:43,109 --> 01:58:41,199
all right well i'm going to toss you out

2987
01:58:44,709 --> 01:58:43,119
of here now i appreciate your time very

2988
01:58:46,629 --> 01:58:44,719
much everybody listen

2989
01:58:48,149 --> 01:58:46,639
if you want to hear more if you want to

2990
01:58:51,030 --> 01:58:48,159
read more go to amazon

2991
01:58:52,870 --> 01:58:51,040
just put in tom carrier or don schmidt

2992
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:52,880
into the search box and you'll find

2993
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:55,040
a whole bunch of great books every book

2994
01:58:57,669 --> 01:58:56,239
that i've gotten from him i

2995
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,679
thoroughly enjoyed i want to get some

2996
01:59:01,109 --> 01:59:00,080
more so thanks very much for your time

2997
01:59:03,109 --> 01:59:01,119
mr carrie

2998
01:59:05,669 --> 01:59:03,119
my pleasure stephen you have a great

2999
01:59:07,109 --> 01:59:05,679
evening okay great thanks mr carrie bye

3000
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:07,119
bye

3001
01:59:10,550 --> 01:59:09,440
all right well there you go friends uh

3002
01:59:13,270 --> 01:59:10,560
we are

3003
01:59:15,589 --> 01:59:13,280
continuing in this revisiting roswell

3004
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:15,599
and what an amazing uh

3005
01:59:19,350 --> 01:59:17,920
journey it has been i want to thank our

3006
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:19,360
guest tonight mr tom

3007
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:22,400
carrey who two of my you guys have heard

3008
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:24,000
me mention these books time and time

3009
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:25,920
again witness to ron if you only get two

3010
01:59:29,030 --> 01:59:28,000
get witness to roswell and children of

3011
01:59:31,910 --> 01:59:29,040
roswell

3012
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:31,920
followed very quickly by uh the real

3013
01:59:34,629 --> 01:59:33,199
area 51

3014
01:59:36,390 --> 01:59:34,639
which tells the whole story of ray

3015
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:36,400
patterson and all of the

3016
01:59:40,629 --> 01:59:38,960
the stories of top secret and alien

3017
01:59:41,830 --> 01:59:40,639
technology that may have been taken to

3018
01:59:43,910 --> 01:59:41,840
wright patterson

3019
01:59:45,189 --> 01:59:43,920
these are just great books i want to

3020
01:59:45,830 --> 01:59:45,199
thank each and every one of you for

3021
01:59:47,990 --> 01:59:45,840
joining us

3022
01:59:49,669 --> 01:59:48,000
and mr carrie if you're standing by i'm

3023
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:49,679
going to play a bumper out and i'll be

3024
01:59:53,910 --> 01:59:52,080
with you in just one moment

3025
01:59:55,990 --> 01:59:53,920
so friends i'm always happy when there's

3026
01:59:56,310 --> 01:59:56,000
an audience i can't tell you how happy i

3027
01:59:59,030 --> 01:59:56,320
am

3028
02:00:00,709 --> 01:59:59,040
listen i'm taking this journey and you

3029
02:00:02,229 --> 02:00:00,719
guys get to take it with me

3030
02:00:03,750 --> 02:00:02,239
and that's the great part of our show

3031
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:03,760
here we get to

3032
02:00:07,270 --> 02:00:06,320
uh we get to experience this journey

3033
02:00:09,430 --> 02:00:07,280
together

3034
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:09,440
i'm glad that i could take you with you

3035
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:11,440
take you guys with me i'm glad that we

3036
02:00:14,229 --> 02:00:12,800
could take this journey together

3037
02:00:16,149 --> 02:00:14,239
just want to mention quickly there was

3038
02:00:18,149 --> 02:00:16,159
no shows previous to

3039
02:00:19,350 --> 02:00:18,159
today because i'm feeling a little bit

3040
02:00:21,189 --> 02:00:19,360
under the weather i

3041
02:00:22,950 --> 02:00:21,199
thank everybody that reached out to me

3042
02:00:24,070 --> 02:00:22,960
i'm fairly certain it's not covered in

3043
02:00:27,589 --> 02:00:24,080
just a cold but it

3044
02:00:28,790 --> 02:00:27,599
is messed with my throat and i was

3045
02:00:30,629 --> 02:00:28,800
losing my voice

3046
02:00:32,390 --> 02:00:30,639
i'm feeling a little bit better so

3047
02:00:33,910 --> 02:00:32,400
thanks everyone

3048
02:00:36,310 --> 02:00:33,920
until next time friends my name is

3049
02:00:39,750 --> 02:00:36,320
stephen cambion still searching for the

3050
02:00:54,970 --> 02:00:39,760
truth about this roswell event

3051
02:01:06,830 --> 02:00:54,980
night and god bless all of you

3052
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:11,030
so

3053
02:02:03,960 --> 02:01:20,830
[Music]

3054
02:02:05,330 --> 02:02:03,970
so